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Old 04-20-2018, 01:23 AM
Status: "The collective consience doesn't like detail" (J L Burke)" (set 29 days ago)
 
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Why did we stop going to the Moon?

Because, unlike "orbital" space, there is nothing on the Moon or Mars sufficient to justify large-scale commercial investment and development; even if Mars were composed entirely of solid gold or platinum, there would be no economically-justifiable way to extract it and bring it back.

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Old 04-20-2018, 05:40 AM
 
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Why did we stop going to the Moon?
Because, unlike "orbital" space, there is nothing on the Moon or Mars sufficient to justify large-scale commercial investment and development; even if Mars were composed entirely of solid gold or platinum, there would be no economically-justifiable way to extract it and bring it back.
There are more and more millionaires so tourism could be something worth developing. Also there may be ancient technology there too.

So why are other countries bothering to try to build bases on either of these two places? What is in it for them?
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Old 04-20-2018, 03:32 PM
Status: "The collective consience doesn't like detail" (J L Burke)" (set 29 days ago)
 
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f we're ever to make serious strides in space exploration, one step will involve finding some quantum leap in the speed, and thereby, the range of vehicles within interplanetary space -- and that, in turn, will likely venerate Einstein's theories on relativity, and the time/space continuum which the sci-fi dream merchants find so frustrating and depressing.

Just the way it is ..... don't blame the messenger because you don't like the message.
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Old 04-21-2018, 09:03 AM
 
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Why did we stop going to the Moon?

Because, unlike "orbital" space, there is nothing on the Moon or Mars sufficient to justify large-scale commercial investment and development; even if Mars were composed entirely of solid gold or platinum, there would be no economically-justifiable way to extract it and bring it back.
Mankind will always seek to spread out and colonize new lands though, eventually that means other planets and moons, its our nature to do this kind of thing.

Who knows maybe decades in the future, the moon colonies will decide to break off from their respective earthly nations and found entirely new nations/ planets, maybe even go to war in order to do so!
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Old 04-21-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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Why did we stop going to the Moon?

Because, unlike "orbital" space, there is nothing on the Moon or Mars sufficient to justify large-scale commercial investment and development; even if Mars were composed entirely of solid gold or platinum, there would be no economically-justifiable way to extract it and bring it back.
Probably be true that it might not be economically justifiable right now to perform mining operations on the Moon, but the shipping costs from the Moon back to Earth might by possible. The Moon has a much smaller gravity well than the Earth. Getting something back would be much cheaper. Consider that it took a three stage Saturn 5 rocket to get to the moon, but only a single engine on the Lunar Lander to get from the surface to Moon orbit and then only a single engine on the Command/Service Module to break Moon orbit and head back to the Earth.

Robert Heinlein's sci-fi novel The Moon is a Harsh Mistress had colonies on the Moon shipping bulk cargo back to the Earth by using an electromagnetic rail gun on the Moon's surface to launch Earth-bound cargo pods. Initial start-up costs might be high, but, with abundant free solar energy available, the fuel cost of an Earth bound delivery would be pretty cheap.
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Old 04-21-2018, 07:55 PM
 
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f we're ever to make serious strides in space exploration, one step will involve finding some quantum leap in the speed, and thereby, the range of vehicles within interplanetary space -- and that, in turn, will likely venerate Einstein's theories on relativity, and the time/space continuum which the sci-fi dream merchants find so frustrating and depressing.

Just the way it is ..... don't blame the messenger because you don't like the message.
Neptune, the furthest of the major planets, is just over four light-hours from Earth. The idea that, in order for interplanetary travel to be useful, all planets must be more accessible than, say, New York and Los Angeles currently are from each other, is absurd.

PS - The messenger is to blame when making a nonsensical claim.
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Old 04-23-2018, 02:06 AM
 
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Neptune, the furthest of the major planets, is just over four light-hours from Earth. The idea that, in order for interplanetary travel to be useful, all planets must be more accessible than, say, New York and Los Angeles currently are from each other, is absurd.
Well, maybe they are just as accessible as NY or LA?

If ANYONE considers themselves a science follower, or a skeptic that that we have the technology now, then not taking the evidence into account is also blame-worthy.

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If we're ever to make serious strides in space exploration, one step will involve finding some quantum leap in the speed, and thereby, the range of vehicles within interplanetary space -- and that, in turn, will likely venerate Einstein's theories on relativity, and the time/space continuum which the sci-fi dream merchants find so frustrating and depressing.
To keep maintaining we do not have the technology to currently go to the stars is a ridiculous statement. Almost every week someone, somewhere sees a craft which moves at incredible speed across the sky. Denying that these craft exist is just plain denial and is something any scientist would definitely consider when investigating the possibility of planetry travel today.

Of course, if we think they 'belong' to someone else and not humans, then thats a different matter since we dont have access to these craft, however, if we humans do have access, then it does appear possible to travel much faster than NASAs rockets do.

If these do exist, then there is no technological reason not to go back to the Moon.
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Old 04-24-2018, 12:55 PM
 
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Well, maybe they are just as accessible as NY or LA?

If ANYONE considers themselves a science follower, or a skeptic that that we have the technology now, then not taking the evidence into account is also blame-worthy.



To keep maintaining we do not have the technology to currently go to the stars is a ridiculous statement. Almost every week someone, somewhere sees a craft which moves at incredible speed across the sky. Denying that these craft exist is just plain denial and is something any scientist would definitely consider when investigating the possibility of planetry travel today.

Of course, if we think they 'belong' to someone else and not humans, then thats a different matter since we dont have access to these craft, however, if we humans do have access, then it does appear possible to travel much faster than NASAs rockets do.

If these do exist, then there is no technological reason not to go back to the Moon.
Have you ever considered that may be a reason why they do not use this technology for other applications, like space travel, military aircraft, surveillance, etc?

I have a sneaky feeling the powers that be do not want this technology to become widely known about. If they used them in the military, for space, LOTS of people would see them in action and know what kind of technology Govt has access to.

Its pretty common knowledge that they used 'UFOs' to disguise experimental aircraft back in the 50s, 60s, 70s, it was a great way to keep everyone guessing whose craft it was, but eventually aircraft with those reported abilities, trickled out and are now widely used in all sorts of ways, the B2, stealth technology, most people know how this works today, its not experimental or secret anymore.
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Old 04-24-2018, 01:51 PM
 
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Well, maybe they are just as accessible as NY or LA?

IAlmost every week someone, somewhere sees a craft which moves at incredible speed across the sky. Denying that these craft exist is just plain denial and is something any scientist would definitely consider when investigating the possibility of planetry travel today.

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Those are the mouse ships. They are already mining cheese from the moon. The mice have secretly surpassed us in technology and just like you see a fleeting glimpse of a mouse dashing through your house every now and then, once in a while someone gets a glimpse of the mouse space shuttles moving at incredible speeds.
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Old 04-24-2018, 02:16 PM
 
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Hmmm... Expensive and boring. That does not sound like a good excuse for not continuing with scientific investigation of another world.
Depends on how expensive (extremely) and how boring (somewhat).
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