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Old 08-20-2018, 04:23 PM
 
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Just a guess ... possibly he meant the fossil in the meteorite from Antartica from the 1990s.
You might be right. Although the OP did say in the first post, "There has to be life there..." The OP could have been saying that be humorous. It's hard to tell seeing how the OP hasn't posted anything to this thread since.

However, it's still inconclusive as to whether the Allen Hills 84001 meteorite shows nanobacteria fossils, or if they're just mineral formations (carbonates). The Curiosity rover did detect organic matter at Gale Crater, but that doesn't automatically mean organic life.
Carbonates in the Martian meteorite Allan Hills 84001 formed at 18*±*4*°C in a near-surface aqueous environment | PNAS

What strikes me odd is the big fuss about the discovery of liquid water on Mars. As I understand it, even that's somewhat uncertain that it's in a liquid state beneath the ice cap. Regardless, as I mentioned earlier, going back to 2002, water (likely frozen) has been detected before on Mars. So it's not like this recent data is the first discovery. If it should be in a liquid state, it's not something that's going to be easy to reach because, 1 - it's pretty deep, about 1.5 km (nearly a mile) under the ice cap (very hard to get to), and 2 - it's likely to contain a lot of brine from perchlorates, etc. There's still a lot yet to determine. As Mike555 posted, NASA's statement was that it's a ...Possible Subsurface Lake near Martian South Pole.

I'm still open to the possibility that lifeforms such as bacteria might be found, but at the moment, it's still uncertain if any life existed there in the past, or currently exists. But it is possible. I have to admit that I'm very doubtful we'll ever discover any signs of Martian bunnies, female Bigfoots, crab monsters, giant worms, mile high trees, ruins of pyramids, statues and buildings, or alien bases. But we might want to be cautious to avoid some things.
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:23 AM
 
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I'm still open to the possibility that lifeforms such as bacteria might be found, but at the moment, it's still uncertain if any life existed there in the past, or currently exists. But it is possible. I have to admit that I'm very doubtful we'll ever discover any signs of Martian bunnies, female Bigfoots, crab monsters, giant worms, mile high trees, ruins of pyramids, statues and buildings, or alien bases. But we might want to be cautious to avoid some things.
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Do you honestly believe they would tell us, even if they did find any of those things on another planet?
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Old 08-22-2018, 01:34 PM
 
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Do you honestly believe they would tell us, even if they did find any of those things on another planet?
Who, scientists who would stand to get huge sources of funding, universal acclaim and permanent recognition in the history books if we found life on another planet?

Definitely.
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Old 08-22-2018, 06:32 PM
 
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Who, scientists who would stand to get huge sources of funding, universal acclaim and permanent recognition in the history books if we found life on another planet?
Definitely.
Proof that this belief is so please. You and others continue to trot out this statement but no evidence exists it is the truth.

Please point to scientists who have 'discovered' stuff and who have gone on to become well-funded and famous. Scientists who have NOT been working for the government or large companies already.

Look at Tesla and there is no-one who was perhaps more useful to us as an inventor, forward thinker etc yet he died as a recluse feeding pigeons in poverty. His inventions and notebooks were supressed. Shame on us as a society for allowing this to happen.
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Old 08-25-2018, 12:55 PM
 
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Proof that this belief is so please. You and others continue to trot out this statement but no evidence exists it is the truth.

Please point to scientists who have 'discovered' stuff and who have gone on to become well-funded and famous. Scientists who have NOT been working for the government or large companies already.

Look at Tesla and there is no-one who was perhaps more useful to us as an inventor, forward thinker etc yet he died as a recluse feeding pigeons in poverty. His inventions and notebooks were supressed. Shame on us as a society for allowing this to happen.
The things from Tesla, that Govt suppressed, would be disastrous for the economy though, I think thats why they were suppressed in the first place, it really is protecting national security!

Of course, Govt also has ' the Invention secrecy act of 1951', which does a similar thing, it permits govt to suppress any new invention or technology that is a little 'too good' for the public, or threatens Govts ability to exert its authority.
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Old 08-27-2018, 03:24 AM
 
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However, ONLY if people go for patents. If folks recognise that some inventions are of such monimental importance that they would benefit all humanity, then maybe the invention itself does not need to be patented but can be published globally for all. There is lots of opportunity to patent inventions coming from the original publicly published idea.

For example, if a new energy source was released into the public domain, then batteries could be patented which used existing materials in a new way to store the new energy. Or, maybe new ways could be found to use old technology now that new perhaps cheaper energy is generated.

Governments know we are greedy and want to make as much money as soon as possible. As soon as the idea is out, they cannot suppress it.
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