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Old 10-29-2018, 02:45 PM
 
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Before the Stealth bomber was public knowledge, they used to get people reporting them as 'ufos', since they didnt recognize the plane or its abilities...naturally though, once it was declassified, they were no longer reported as ufos...people now knew what they were and recognized it.

I even read where they used this 'ufo' as a cover to help keep the technology hidden from prying eyes.

So, a good indicator at some of the aircraft tech that is currently classified or 'in the works' would be to look at ufo reports, and some of the characteristics of them...

Reading thru modern ufo reports, its very very common to see people reporting craft that can cloak themselves, and become mostly invisible to the naked eye, another one is ability to operate totally silently, hover in place silently as well. Another one is ability to disrupt cell phones, computers, electronics, even mechanical things that are in the area of the craft...

More than likely these are the types of things places like area 51 have been working on, so naturally, some of this technology eventually becomes declassified and people know about it, it trickles out to known aircraft over time, and its no longer considered 'ufo'.

Just like after the stealth bomber was declassified, people can look back and understand why they were being reported as ufos, I imagine the same thing will happen in the future, with craft and tech that are being reported as ufos RIGHT NOW.

Do you see what Im saying?
Thanks RS. By "trickling down" you mean information to the general public that identifies certain things that are post stealth tech. You mentioned a few examples, which in a nutshell means they've already been identified. But you seem to be limiting things to just aircraft.

I don't doubt there are classified instruments in the works, such as disrupting electronics. Some of that certainly involves techniques and things that are already known. Making things invisible to the eye (advanced camouflage) is also something that's being worked on. Some methods involve bending light around objects to be hidden. An observer can see right through it as though it wasn't there. I'm not sure such applications have been successfully used for aircraft, but it's a fair guess it's being experimented with, as well as for ships, ground vehicles and troops.

Some new technology appears to be aimed at better refining robotics or objects that can be operated remotely, and ultimately independently. Boston Dynamics is deeply involved in developing such tools, not only for military use, but for civilian uses as well. There are a number of other companies around the world doing similar things. Bots have already been used experimentally by the military to remotely search, disarm explosives, etc. AI is also being tested to enable robotic firearms to replace human soldiers. It's not at a point that such machines should be unleashed to operate independently without human control. Too much risk of not being able to tell the difference between an intended target and a civilian target. There are armed missiles and unmanned aircraft that can be operated from halfway around the world. As it is, other countries have also been working on such developments. I suspect the Groom Lake facility is testing out a good number of things, apart from new aircraft.

The object of such technologies is to remove humans from the battlefield and replace them with machines. Although a good number of such things are already known, the military keeps details classified for good reason. If you or I were have full access to such information, then so would anyone else in the world. Another good application for the use of robotics is for the exploration of space, to search and rescue victims of catastrophes, etc.

Area 51 gets a lot of popular attention, but there are other facilities in use besides Area 51 that get little to no public attention. The only reason Area 51 has attracted so much attention is the notion that they are hiding aliens and alien technologies. That all comes from people seeing "strange" lights in the sky and that Area 51 is so secretive about what goes on there.

Here's a personal story for you. Back in the late 1960s, a buddy of mine and myself took a trip to visit some friends in North Las Vegas. Las Vegas was nothing like it is now. The "Strip" pretty much ended where Caesar's Palace was located. Not much beyond that apart from desert. Even the downtown area wasn't all that much except for casinos and older buildings.

One night, we were in the parking lot at Fantasy Park and saw flashes of light coming from behind some mountains off to the NE. Not much of a mystery considering bomb testing was most likely causing the flashes. Later, we also saw a sizable blue glow that seemed to be moving slowly high up above us. At some point it faded out and was no longer seen. It was a pretty weird sight. At a guess, I'd say it was probably a Janet Airlines airplane carrying workers from Groom Lake. That's my best guess about it. It could also have been some kind of experimental aircraft. Night flying would better conceal such aircraft, especially if it's flying close to the city.
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Old 10-30-2018, 12:21 PM
 
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Thanks RS. By "trickling down" you mean information to the general public that identifies certain things that are post stealth tech. You mentioned a few examples, which in a nutshell means they've already been identified. But you seem to be limiting things to just aircraft.

I don't doubt there are classified instruments in the works, such as disrupting electronics. Some of that certainly involves techniques and things that are already known. Making things invisible to the eye (advanced camouflage) is also something that's being worked on. Some methods involve bending light around objects to be hidden. An observer can see right through it as though it wasn't there. I'm not sure such applications have been successfully used for aircraft, but it's a fair guess it's being experimented with, as well as for ships, ground vehicles and troops.

Some new technology appears to be aimed at better refining robotics or objects that can be operated remotely, and ultimately independently. Boston Dynamics is deeply involved in developing such tools, not only for military use, but for civilian uses as well. There are a number of other companies around the world doing similar things. Bots have already been used experimentally by the military to remotely search, disarm explosives, etc. AI is also being tested to enable robotic firearms to replace human soldiers. It's not at a point that such machines should be unleashed to operate independently without human control. Too much risk of not being able to tell the difference between an intended target and a civilian target. There are armed missiles and unmanned aircraft that can be operated from halfway around the world. As it is, other countries have also been working on such developments. I suspect the Groom Lake facility is testing out a good number of things, apart from new aircraft.

The object of such technologies is to remove humans from the battlefield and replace them with machines. Although a good number of such things are already known, the military keeps details classified for good reason. If you or I were have full access to such information, then so would anyone else in the world. Another good application for the use of robotics is for the exploration of space, to search and rescue victims of catastrophes, etc.

Area 51 gets a lot of popular attention, but there are other facilities in use besides Area 51 that get little to no public attention. The only reason Area 51 has attracted so much attention is the notion that they are hiding aliens and alien technologies. That all comes from people seeing "strange" lights in the sky and that Area 51 is so secretive about what goes on there.

Here's a personal story for you. Back in the late 1960s, a buddy of mine and myself took a trip to visit some friends in North Las Vegas. Las Vegas was nothing like it is now. The "Strip" pretty much ended where Caesar's Palace was located. Not much beyond that apart from desert. Even the downtown area wasn't all that much except for casinos and older buildings.

One night, we were in the parking lot at Fantasy Park and saw flashes of light coming from behind some mountains off to the NE. Not much of a mystery considering bomb testing was most likely causing the flashes. Later, we also saw a sizable blue glow that seemed to be moving slowly high up above us. At some point it faded out and was no longer seen. It was a pretty weird sight. At a guess, I'd say it was probably a Janet Airlines airplane carrying workers from Groom Lake. That's my best guess about it. It could also have been some kind of experimental aircraft. Night flying would better conceal such aircraft, especially if it's flying close to the city.
Yea, I think all those strange lights and aircraft people are seeing around Area 51, are just aircraft and technology being experimented with, its next generation stuff, they think its alien technology because its so different than aircraft they know about, people did the same exact thing with the stealth bomber too, like I mentioned.

But the point i was making, people have been reporting and see these strange craft/lights for decades...yet the most advanced fighter plane that we know about TODAY is probably the F35...it is extremely loud, cannot make itself invisible, cannot disrupt electronics/mechanical, etc.

WHERE are all the declassified aircraft that match current and past UFO reports? If they really have had the ability to make a plane almost invisible to the naked eye for the past 10-20 yrs, or one that can operate totally silent...why are we not seeing that technology being used anywhere?

** I have my own strange sighting. this happened about 15 yrs ago, I was outside on my deck smoking around 1-2am, there was a small church on the next street over, behind my house, I saw a gold colored ball hovering in place around the roof of the church, watched it for a few minutes, it wasnt doing anything but sitting in one place. I went in to get my camera/phone and it was now in my backyard, hovering about 3-5 ft above the ground, it was about 20ft away from where I was. I took a picture of it and it vanished ( didnt take off or fly away, it simply vanished in place). I got the picture though, and when I uploaded to my computer, I could zoom in and it had alot of detail, it looked like a cell to me, it had an outer 'skin', and something in the center, but to the naked eye, it just looked like a solid gold ball...It was really amazing.

This was in Northern KY, so Im not sure if it was an experimental aircraft or what, there are no military or R&D places anywhere close to me.
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Old 10-30-2018, 03:18 PM
 
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Yea, I think all those strange lights and aircraft people are seeing around Area 51, are just aircraft and technology being experimented with, its next generation stuff, they think its alien technology because its so different than aircraft they know about, people did the same exact thing with the stealth bomber too, like I mentioned.
True, there are people who wildly speculate about all sorts of things. All it really means is that they don't know or understand what it is, so a fantasy explanation seems reasonable to them. Unfortunately, such speculation can be very wrong.

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But the point i was making, people have been reporting and see these strange craft/lights for decades...yet the most advanced fighter plane that we know about TODAY is probably the F35...it is extremely loud, cannot make itself invisible, cannot disrupt electronics/mechanical, etc.
The problem with most such reports is that they're nearly impossible to conclusively verify. In effect, you only have the claims. That doesn't mean they're lying (although some might be), but rather that incidents can get fuzzy with the passage of time, and false memories tend to try to fill in the blanks. There have been a good number of studies on that.
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is...memory-2795193
https://www.psychologistworld.com/me...ness-testimony

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WHERE are all the declassified aircraft that match current and past UFO reports? If they really have had the ability to make a plane almost invisible to the naked eye for the past 10-20 yrs, or one that can operate totally silent...why are we not seeing that technology being used anywhere?
I'd have to guess that we're not seeing certain kinds of assumed technologies because they aren't there. Invisibility is pretty unlikely. There have been videos circulating that show demonstrations of invisibility cloaks, but most have been pretty well determined to be clever fakes using green screen techniques that give the illusion of a fabric that can render a person invisible. Even if there was such a thing, The average person isn't likely to be able to afford it for a playful demonstration. Camouflage to blend in with the scenery is pretty much the best there is right now. Stealth applications are able to avoid radar detection, but that's all it can do. Works well for night raids though.

As for silent aircraft, if the aircraft is high enough and far enough away, they can sometimes be pretty hard to hear from the ground.

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** I have my own strange sighting. this happened about 15 yrs ago, I was outside on my deck smoking around 1-2am, there was a small church on the next street over, behind my house, I saw a gold colored ball hovering in place around the roof of the church, watched it for a few minutes, it wasnt doing anything but sitting in one place. I went in to get my camera/phone and it was now in my backyard, hovering about 3-5 ft above the ground, it was about 20ft away from where I was. I took a picture of it and it vanished ( didnt take off or fly away, it simply vanished in place). I got the picture though, and when I uploaded to my computer, I could zoom in and it had alot of detail, it looked like a cell to me, it had an outer 'skin', and something in the center, but to the naked eye, it just looked like a solid gold ball...It was really amazing.

This was in Northern KY, so Im not sure if it was an experimental aircraft or what, there are no military or R&D places anywhere close to me.
Smoking you say? That wouldn't be Wacky Tabakky, would it ? I'd like to see the photo of the gold colored ball you took.
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Old 11-01-2018, 11:30 AM
 
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True, there are people who wildly speculate about all sorts of things. All it really means is that they don't know or understand what it is, so a fantasy explanation seems reasonable to them. Unfortunately, such speculation can be very wrong.


The problem with most such reports is that they're nearly impossible to conclusively verify. In effect, you only have the claims. That doesn't mean they're lying (although some might be), but rather that incidents can get fuzzy with the passage of time, and false memories tend to try to fill in the blanks. There have been a good number of studies on that.
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is...memory-2795193
https://www.psychologistworld.com/me...ness-testimony


I'd have to guess that we're not seeing certain kinds of assumed technologies because they aren't there. Invisibility is pretty unlikely. There have been videos circulating that show demonstrations of invisibility cloaks, but most have been pretty well determined to be clever fakes using green screen techniques that give the illusion of a fabric that can render a person invisible. Even if there was such a thing, The average person isn't likely to be able to afford it for a playful demonstration. Camouflage to blend in with the scenery is pretty much the best there is right now. Stealth applications are able to avoid radar detection, but that's all it can do. Works well for night raids though.

As for silent aircraft, if the aircraft is high enough and far enough away, they can sometimes be pretty hard to hear from the ground.


Smoking you say? That wouldn't be Wacky Tabakky, would it ? I'd like to see the photo of the gold colored ball you took.
No, it was regular cigarette! I do not have that computer anymore and didnt transfer the pics, Im not sure if there is any other way to access it now, I dont think I had google images at the time, so the pic wouldnt have been backed up anywhere else. I showed that picture to ALOT of people, I even sent it off to MUFON and NUFORC. It was a great picture, because you could see my detached garage and some junk I had lying on the side, so it was easy to see how big the ball was and the color/mass relation of the thing.

I do have the same cell phone provider, so maybe I can figure out a way to find that picture, since I did send it as a picture message multiple times. ( I will look into that).

Regarding the UFO reports...I read thru the MUFON and NUFORC reports weekly, been doing this for many years...there are a few consistent things that are reported across the board...

1. Craft reported to hover in place totally silent
2. Craft can 'mirror' the sky, to cloak itself (can still see the outline, but its close to being invisible)
3. Craft are normally solid shapes(square, circular, rectangular, spherical, tubular are most common), NO wings or appendages
4. the effects a craft in the area, has on electronics, animals, cars/trucks and even people. (disrupting electronics, mechanicals, causing anxiety/fear/aggression in animals, effecting memory, perception of time in people).

All these things indicate to me, that they are experimenting with some very cool technologies, but have been doing so for decades).
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Old 11-06-2018, 04:22 PM
 
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Anyone know what a TR-3B is?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_triangle_(UFO)
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Old 11-06-2018, 04:27 PM
 
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^^^^



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvQMaA0AIes


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Old 11-07-2018, 11:51 AM
 
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If they are secret experimental aircraft, then why are they being reported as hovering over residential housing areas, metro areas...they test aircraft like this out in places where there are NO people, thats why Area 51 has the secrecy it does...to protect the secrets.
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Old 11-07-2018, 07:00 PM
 
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I'm guessing that in the past, you had less information, so folks were more intrigued. Today, there are a lot of info you can get (albeit not all of it is accurate). Thus, people are not as interested.

You certainly still have folks studying it of course.

Just my .02.
Pretty much this. Although I still think alien life exists, it's questionable whether it's visited or not.. everything discovered so far could be built without their help.

I loved the x-files, and loved the idea that we already had anti-gravity aircraft the government is covering up, but I don't think if we actually had it, you'd have any reason or way to still keep it covered up in 2018.. there's too much commercial potential in the moon and mars if you could get to these places in a short period of time. If moon bases were possible with some technology being classified that could get us there in 30 minutes, the top 1% with their endless wealth would have made it happen by now.
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Old 11-07-2018, 09:28 PM
 
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In almost every instance of these so-called UFOs sightings, flashing/pulsating bright lights are a big part of the story. Apparently, aliens, or human test pilots of secret aircraft have the need to let people see them. One have to wonder, why would a pilot of a secret military aircraft turn on bright lights so people can see it; or aliens after traveling billions of miles to earth flash their brights to be seen but only to fly away?

Or is it more likely that the story tellers know dark objects can't be seen clearly in the dark night sky without lights and the story won't be convincing?

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Old 11-08-2018, 10:51 AM
 
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In almost every instance of these so-called UFOs sightings, flashing/pulsating bright lights are a big part of the story. Apparently, aliens, or human test pilots of secret aircraft have the need to let people see them. One have to wonder, why would a pilot of a secret military aircraft turn on bright lights so people can see it; or aliens after traveling billions of miles to earth flash their brights to be seen but only to fly away?

Or is it more likely that the story tellers know dark objects can't be seen clearly in the dark night sky without lights and the story won't be convincing?
Yeah, it doesnt make much sense either way!

Even stranger, is why secret experimental aircraft would be flying around in highly populated metro and suburban areas when they go to great lengths to keep these kinds of aircrafts OUT of the publics view.

I recently did some reading on very old UFO sightings, it was very interesting in that, they were not called 'ufos' back then, but the descriptions of what people were seeing, (some from the 1500 and 1600s), is IDENTICAL, to what is being reported today, the behavior, the flashing/pulsating lights, disappearing, characteristics, etc...ALL the same!

Whatever these things are...they have been here and doing these things for a very long time.

I dont think its as simple as saying they are 'beings from another planet or place'...its something more than that, I doubt it would make much sense to us.
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