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Old 03-07-2019, 11:42 AM
 
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Interesting. I have no bias either way on this. Thoughts?

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018...es/?comments=1
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Old 03-07-2019, 04:37 PM
 
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Not surprised at all. While Russia does have a bunch of oil/natural gas billionaires, I just don't really see any private industry or Elon Musk types wanting to use their money to create a new space/rocket business. I see China passing Russia by on the space front, in the not too distant future.
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Old 03-08-2019, 11:51 AM
 
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As I said in the other thread, when Crew Dragon splashed down in the Atlantic, so did Roscosmos' business model. They let themselves grow dependent on Soyuz flights to the ISS.

Falcon 9 already undercut their rate on satellite launches, and their QA has turned questionable.
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Old 03-08-2019, 12:19 PM
 
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I found this interesting - Russian reactions to Crew Dragon. They weren't thrilled.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019...g-left-behind/
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Old 03-08-2019, 12:40 PM
 
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I found this interesting - Russian reactions to Crew Dragon. They weren't thrilled.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019...g-left-behind/
"Finally, on Tuesday, Russian sources told Sputnik and other media about an unusual smell on the station"

That was just the Cosmonaut soiling himself now that there will be another flight option shortly.
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Old 03-11-2019, 03:29 PM
 
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Everybody else (including Arianespace) is going to have to create their own re-usable launchers now, just to remain competitive. I'll bet they're already working on it... in secret.
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Old 03-11-2019, 03:40 PM
 
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Everybody else (including Arianespace) is going to have to create their own re-usable launchers now, just to remain competitive. I'll bet they're already working on it... in secret.
Or, they'll just rely on their own governments to use their services for national security reasons, and cede all competitive launches, which is what I expect.
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Old 03-11-2019, 04:19 PM
 
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Everybody else (including Arianespace) is going to have to create their own re-usable launchers now, just to remain competitive. I'll bet they're already working on it... in secret.
Arianespace is going for it already, and not so secret either. The Prometheus engine is going to be built for reusability. The mechanism is still up for debate - there is one suggestion (Adeline) for landing the engines without the tankage, and I've at least seen some concept art looking a lot like a Falcon 9 first stage. The engines are the linchpin - it's a ground-up redesign if it needs to be fired more than once. And a vertical landing, Falcon-style, of course requires delicate throttling capability. It's not something you can add as an afterthought.

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Or, they'll just rely on their own governments to use their services for national security reasons, and cede all competitive launches, which is what I expect.
Thing is, Russia is broke and Roscosmos is not going to attract the best and brightest if there aren't resources to do something. They'll be forced to spend their resources on being owner/operators of Soyuz for decades, rather than breaking new ground.
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Old 03-13-2019, 09:20 PM
 
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this is what happens when you don't allow the free exchange of ideas
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Old 03-13-2019, 09:40 PM
 
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just like "back in the day":

1. government backed the beginning (Columbus/Magellan/NASA).
2. then the privateers accepted the challenge (Sir Walter Raleigh/Elon Musk).
3. eventually, joint-stock companies exploited the discoveries for profit.
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