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Old 03-28-2019, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Mars City
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Who else wants to place bets that it'll get nowhere, just like all the similar PR events over the past two decades? That's not negativity or cynicism; that's being completely honest with the situation and factors.
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Old 03-28-2019, 11:40 PM
 
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Who else wants to place bets that it'll get nowhere, just like all the similar PR events over the past two decades? That's not negativity or cynicism; that's being completely honest with the situation and factors.
It's like the proverbial kicking the can down the street with every new administration, a lot of talk, but very little action! I know China wants their own space station and Russian wants to recycle parts of the ISS and create their own smaller station.

Does the US even have plans when and if the ISS is decommissioned, if they're not sending astronauts to the moon or Mars or an asteroid or a space station, a lot of people will be twirling their thumbs in Houston and Florida?
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Old 03-29-2019, 11:43 AM
 
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Well, I want a steamy date with Brooke Shields, and my chances are better.

I'll say it: NASA as an organization can't do rocketry any more.

NASA doesn't have a man-capable rocket, won't have one for years, and because the SLS is designed around funneling money to the right pockets rather than putting stuff in space, we'll be saddled with an outdated (SRBs, really?) and way expensive piece of hardware once it flies.

Pence and Bridenstine (to their credit) aired the idea of using commercial heavy lifters, and the SLS crowd went completely ballistic (heh) - "Private rockets? What about the jobs in our districts? We want our pork, it is ours by right, give it to us!" As long as Senator Shelby looks as NASA as a way to funnel money to Alabama, we're going nowhere. In the meantime, SpaceX and Blue Origin are building 21st-century designs, but they're not buddy-buddy with the right Congresspeople and factions within NASA have been fighting them tooth and nail.

Anyway, the Moon is a backwater. We're not going to build anything complicated there.
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Old 03-29-2019, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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The issue I have with type of leadership is that it results in a lot of throw-away technology. If you only need to get somewhere in a hurry just for bragging rights, why build the infrastructure for a long-term settlement or industry? We need re-usable space freighters, not disposable one-shot containers.
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Old 03-30-2019, 10:32 PM
 
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Heh, so someone on a different forum looked at the requirements for a lunar lander.

One of the huge development issues back in the 60s was a descent engine. It's a tricky proposition: The descent engine has to be capable of throttling back - a lot. It has to be extremely reliable, because it's a crew loss if it fails. And it has to run on storable propellants. The original Lunar Descent Engine was a 45 kN engine, using pressure-fed hypergolics.

Funnily enough, we have a US-made engine on hand that is rugged, can be throttled, uses pressure-fed hypergolics and is rated at 70+ kN. It is in fact built for the purpose and can be bought off the shelf. But... it's the SpaceX SuperDraco, and NASA is not going to use something built in Hawthorne, CA, if they can help it.
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:17 PM
 
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Pence doesn't trust NASA when it comes to climate change but wants them to put a man on the moon.
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Old 04-09-2019, 07:17 PM
 
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Default April 9, 2019 Sending American Astronauts to Moon in 2024: NASA Accepts Challenge

''The president directed NASA to land American astronauts on the Moon by 2024, and the agency is working to accelerate humanity’s return to the lunar surface by all means necessary.

“We’ve been given an ambitious and exciting goal. History has proven when we’re given a task by the president, along with the resources and the tools, we can deliver,” said NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine. “We are committed to making this happen. We have the people to achieve it. Now, we just need bipartisan support and the resources to get this done.”

Bridenstine confirmed at the 35th Space Symposium on April 9, 2019, that the agency’s proposed human lunar landing system architecture remains the plan to return crew to the surface as quickly as possible. The human lunar lander will be a public-private partnership working directly with American companies to expedite the return of Astronauts to the Moon’s surface by 2024. The South Pole continues to be the target of our exploration.

In order to best accomplish our goals in the next five years, NASA is now going forward to the Moon in two phases.

“First, we are focused on speed to land the next man, and first woman, on the Moon by 2024. Second, we will establish sustainable missions by 2028. To do that, we need our powerful Space Launch System to put the mass of reusable systems into deep space,” he said.''

Read more: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/sending...epts-challenge
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Old 04-10-2019, 10:31 AM
 
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With the White House's budget proposal deferring work on the Block 1B, that is some mixed messaging.

https://spacenews.com/nasa-budget-proposal-targets-sls/
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Old 04-10-2019, 11:44 AM
 
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In order to best accomplish our goals in the next five years, NASA is now going forward to the Moon in two phases.[/url]
I realize deadlines are important, but with things like the space program, which blows right through them, I always have to just shake my head and chuckle knowing to add 5-10+ years, if ever, to those deadlines!
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Old 04-11-2019, 10:54 AM
 
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Ive never understood why NASA is not permitted to access/use top secret or classified technology for space travel and/or trips to the moon.


Considering when they planned the raid on Osama Bin Ladens compound in Pakistan, they apparently were able to use 2 top secret helicopters from Area 51, that were totally silent in operation...if military can have access to this kind of stuff, why not NASA for space travel? Who knows what some of these SAPs have in technology, antigravity, etc, ?!!
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