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Old 06-07-2019, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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I could have sworn that VP Pence was in town a couple of months ago at the National Space Council meeting and said 'return to the moon' was the Administration's directive. Have they changed their minds? Strange ....

https://www.al.com/news/2019/06/trum...n-to-moon.html
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:01 PM
 
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I could have sworn that VP Pence was in town a couple of months ago at the National Space Council meeting and said 'return to the moon' was the Administration's directive. Have they changed their minds? Strange ....

https://www.al.com/news/2019/06/trum...n-to-moon.html
I think the President is taking the stance by NASA wrong. He may been right that going to the Moon was only a first step before going to Mars but politically NASA is right in their priorities. Right now NASA has to concentrate on getting the first manned SLS flight behind them. After that creating the hardware for a lunar mission must be made ready. The timeline for a lunar landing by 2025 may be too ambitious unless enough resources and support from the President and Congress are made. On the other hand a mission to Mars probably will not happen before 2030 or 2040. It is just too early to talk about any commitments to missions there. I think that establishing a lunar base is a great idea. That is true even if the ultimate goal is to go to Mars.

The SLS needs to be proven before any talk about going to Mars using it are made. What better way to test it than using it on missions to the Moon.

The purpose of building a presence on the moon is to not only explore the moon further but to test the technologies needed for more ambitious missions like going to Mars. If something goes wrong on the moon help is only days away assuming a spacecraft was on standby. Even if a spacecraft was ready to go a rescue mission to Mars might be two years or more away.

This all goes to say that the technologies needed for long term space missions need to be tested in space for viability and reliability. Mars is far enough away that equipment failure could easily kill everyone before any help was available.

There was series called Mars on the National Geographic Channel. It was a fictional show showing the difficulties that might be encountered establishing a long term human presence on Mars.

One thing the series illustrated was that politics can be very fickle. Like in the series a real Mars mission that ended in failure could easily kill any support for future Mars missions for many decades afterwards.

Mars (2016 TV series) - Wikipedia

Watch National Geographic "Mars"

Human mission to Mars - Wikipedia
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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This -if kept on-topic- belongs in the science/space forum. If it devolves into politics, then it needs to move to P&OC. IF the opening post was about the effects on Huntsville aerospace companies and jobs, then it would probably belong in Alabama/Huntsville

Moving thread into space, if it doesn't work there expect it to get moved to the final frontier...
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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This -if kept on-topic- belongs in the science/space forum. If it devolves into politics, then it needs to move to P&OC. IF the opening post was about the effects on Huntsville aerospace companies and jobs, then it would probably belong in Alabama/Huntsville

Moving thread into space, if it doesn't work there expect it to get moved to the final frontier...
It suppose it's sort of a hybrid. Yes, it could affect jobs in the Huntsville area (particularly in the contractor ranks) and it's certainly of local interest moreso than statewide or even most places nationwide. But it just seems odd that the VP says one thing, then the POTUS says exactly the opposite just a couple months later. So actually, it could fit in either of the 3 forums. The last thing we need is a diatribe on how terrible/great the Trump administration is.
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Old 06-08-2019, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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Yeah, I'm kinda curious about the apparent shift, given the interview I heard with the NASA director about funding by the administration being increased by congress.
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Old 06-09-2019, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Isn't this really about the president's atrocious handling of writing English? He means we should definitely reach beyond the moon (because he ways the Moon is "a part of Mars...."). His Twitter feeds can be used in English classes around the country for correction exercises for students.

I really hope this admin supports NASA or helps nurture a government-private affair for space travel. How come other countries focus on this and not us?

Does Trump know that China plans to build a moon base and I bet they will actually try this also. The Chang-4 has already been exploring the moon. Just tell Trump about China's space program and I bet he'll jump


https://www.space.com/china-moon-base-10-years.html
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Old 06-11-2019, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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Presidential ambitions shift with each administration. It may be better if NASA focused on developing modular, general purpose hardware that is mission flexible. Build a reusable space train, for example, that can be expanded out for Mars missions but can still visit the Moon or near-earth asteroids. Create supply modules that can be staged along the mission path, like an Antarctic expedition.
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Old 06-27-2019, 02:16 AM
 
Location: PRC
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NASA are going to the Moon, BUT only to have a small outpost there for very short lunar science trips. There will be no Moon base there.

The main thrust of their forward advance is to build a space station beyond the Moon which they can use to supply the scientific trips to the lunar surface and be a jump-off platform for deeper space exploration.

See here

The current owners have told us we cannot build a base there.
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Old 06-27-2019, 04:41 AM
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Location: Suburban Dallas
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I think too often, people take President Trump way out of context. The media tends to do that a lot. The President did not say to abandon the moon altogether, but rather, to focus on some other space opportunities. He wholeheartedly wants NASA to succeed and thrive in everything they do.
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Old 06-27-2019, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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I think too often, people take President Trump way out of context. The media tends to do that a lot. The President did not say to abandon the moon altogether, but rather, to focus on some other space opportunities. He wholeheartedly wants NASA to succeed and thrive in everything they do.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with your assessment. Trump isn't an honest communicator and lacks a disciplined mind, so it's difficult to discern what his actual interests are with respect to NASA, if any. His goals appear to vary depending on the whims of the moment. The smart money then is in surreptitiously assuming a flexible space policy and focusing on technological development, while appearing to address the policies of the present.
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