Science vs. the Bible: Reconciling Genesis and the Big Bang (find, Earth)

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Mr5150

Got facts or evidence that prove the universe just came to be without a creator? If not then just say "I don't know" and be silent.

I don't know.

However, we never wrote or said we have proof - just lots and lots of evidence.

This is contrary to all the religious kooks who "know" god created the universe. They also claim to be open minded, but when asked "Is it possible god doesn't exist?", every one of these mentally ill, brainwashed, delusional victims will answer unequivocally "No, it isn't possible."

Why not be silent? Because if we can rescue just one of these brainwashed people and get them back into reality, then it will all be worth it.

[skel1977]

Originally Posted by joey2000

So you don't believe in love? Wow

Actually I don't believe in love as most people may define it. I believe in an attraction based on a chemical reaction in the brain. After all I am a scientist so its no surprise in why i believe what I do.

[joey2000]

Originally Posted by Charles

Another tap dancing excuse for failure to explain reality.

Apparently facts and evidence aren't very important either.

No, not really. Weak points.

No, not really. Strong and valid points. Sorry if you didn't grasp them..

Originally Posted by Charles

However, we never wrote or said we have proof - just lots and lots of evidence.

This is contrary to all the religious kooks who "know" god created the universe. They also claim to be open minded, but when asked "Is it possible god doesn't exist?", every one of these mentally ill, brainwashed, delusional victims will answer unequivocally "No, it isn't possible."

Childish, insulting, and glaringly weak-minded dribblings all in one post. Congrats on the hat trick.

FYI, anyone with a clue about how science works (including atheists) would shake their head at your fundamental lack of logic. For example, FYI you cannot prove a negative. That's Science 101. Therefore, sorry, you do not have a shred of scientific evidence that God DOESN'T exist any more than anyone has scientific evidence that He does.

Why not be silent? Because if we can rescue just one of these brainwashed people and get them back into reality, then it will all be worth it.

I'd say it's more like "because I'm out to prove to the world how intelligent and 'enlightened' I am and love to insult and belittle people who dare to disagree with me in the process." How classy and mature of you.

And I'm so surprised this thread is quickly digressing into a religious bash-fest. No really!

How teenager can you get? I can just see kids snickering about such threads in study halls. giggle giggle

Originally Posted by cocytus

Saying that,why would anybody need to reconcile the Big Bang w/ any religious origin belief?

? Why we are here and how we got here has been a burning question for Mankind since Day 1. And sorry but whether God exists or not, science cannot explain or "prove" Him either way because God is hardly some scientific phenomena. And just because you may have no religious beliefs doesn't mean others don't or shouldn't.

[joey2000]

Originally Posted by skel1977

Actually I don't believe in love as most people may define it. I believe in an attraction based on a chemical reaction in the brain. After all I am a scientist so its no surprise in why i believe what I do.

No problem, to each their own.

[davidt1]

The Junior High bullying of that other poster asides, this is an interesting subject.

The value of faith can not be discounted. However, what makes us humans is our the ability to ask questions and seek answers. My question is: Where is God? I would like to see him.

A non-believer made this statement:

"I thought the lack of physical evidence is proof enough that there is no God. You can believe all you want, but to convince me, show me your God."

Another thing to observe is there are many religions in the world, and each has its own God. Which of these Gods created the Universe?

The Big Bang thinking doesn't offer any answer either. It conveniently stops at the exploding dot, and can offer no account for the energy/event/force that created the Big Bang.

What I know is there is a cause/effect relationship in everything. Everything is made from something else, not from nothing. If the Big Bang created the Universe, then what created the Big Bang? If God created the Universe, then where does God come from?

[Sman]

Originally Posted by joey2000

...science cannot explain or "prove" Him either way because God is hardly some scientific phenomena. And just because you may have no religious beliefs doesn't mean others don't or shouldn't.

Like you wrote earlier "science can't prove a negative". The burden of proof for a creator isn't on science, it is on those that think some magic man in the sky grants their wishes, and punishes them when they're bad. See how silly that sounds, yet that is the basis for Judaic religion, and all others are just as silly. As to "just because you may have no religious beliefs doesn't mean others don't or shouldn't." Bullpuckey! Religion is a cancer to the people of this planet. It is the justification for state sanctioned murder, ie, war, and many other lesser crimes.

Would there be war without it? Probably, but those wars would be less frequent, and less intense.


MODERATORS-Why hasn't this thread been moved to its proper location. This is a science board!

[Charles]

Originally Posted by joey2000

FYI, anyone with a clue about how science works (including atheists) would shake their head at your fundamental lack of logic. For example, FYI you cannot prove a negative. That's Science 101. Therefore, sorry, you do not have a shred of scientific evidence that God DOESN'T exist any more than anyone has scientific evidence that He does.

Anyone who has passed fifth grade reading will realize nowhere did anyone try to prove a negative. We have lots of evidence that 99% of biblical explanations on creation is complete garbage - rationale that only suckers fall for.

[Mr5150]

Originally Posted by Sman

Religion is a cancer to the people of this planet. It is the justification for state sanctioned murder, ie, war, and many other lesser crimes.

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I think the test case has been performed. Atheistic states do the same. Please read the history of the Soviet Union, Red China and POl Pot, just for starters.

One does need the "excuse" of religion to do horrific deeds. It is a basic aspect of human nature, based on greed and the desire for power/control.

[baystater]

Originally Posted by davidt1

The Junior High bullying of that other poster asides, this is an interesting subject.

The value of faith can not be discounted. However, what makes us humans is our the ability to ask questions and seek answers. My question is: Where is God? I would like to see him.

A non-believer made this statement:

"I thought the lack of physical evidence is proof enough that there is no God. You can believe all you want, but to convince me, show me your God."

Another thing to observe is there are many religions in the world, and each has its own God. Which of these Gods created the Universe?

The Big Bang thinking doesn't offer any answer either. It conveniently stops at the exploding dot, and can offer no account for the energy/event/force that created the Big Bang.

What I know is there is a cause/effect relationship in everything. Everything is made from something else, not from nothing. If the Big Bang created the Universe, then what created the Big Bang? If God created the Universe, then where does God come from?

While I fully agree that currently there is no way to show what happened before the big bang or really that the a big bang created the universe. This "tested theory" I find has more "evidence" to back it up. Also more importantly with the big bang theory on can say " I don't know the answer." "But we are continuing our search for the answer." I think for a human being, which is a inquisitive animal by nature, this is far better alternative than to someone else simply telling you they "know" the answer with a untested or untestable "hypothesis." The Human spirit whether biologically based or metaphysically based is an adventurous one. We are risk taker, we are searchers, we are explorers. Science and the searches we conduct in the name of it and the theories (right or wrong) we make from it satisfy a lot of us..........dare I say it.....spiritually.

[Peregrine]

Originally Posted by Mr5150

One does need the "excuse" of religion to do horrific deeds. It is a basic aspect of human nature, based on greed and the desire for power/control.

"Doing horrific things" is basic human nature? You can't seriously be saying that?

Wars are started by men, usually over things like:
Religion
Race
Oil
Land

If we were all the same religion, if we were all the same race, if we all had plenty of oil and every country was happy with the extent of its borders... there would be no war.