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Old 12-03-2010, 05:27 AM
 
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Old 12-03-2010, 05:31 AM
 
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1. Vaccines have never been tested.

Not true. All vaccines go through clinical trials.

"]The gold standard of medical science is the double blind crossover placebo study. This test has never been performed on any vaccine currently licensed in Australia."

And it never will be! A "crossover placebo study" is impossible with a vaccine. It would require vaccinating half the subjects for the first half of the trial, then vaccinating the people who received placebo in the first half for the second half of the trial. Then all subjects have been vaccinated. You have no placebo group for the second half of the trial.

This silliness tells me the author of this garbage is an ignorant nincompoop.

2- Vaccines contain toxic additives and heavy metals.

See Addressing Parents' Concerns: Do Vaccines Contain Harmful Preservatives, Adjuvants, Additives, or Residuals? -- Offit and Jew 112 (6): 1394 -- Pediatrics

"CONCLUSION
Parents should be reassured that quantities of mercury,
aluminum, and formaldehyde contained in
vaccines are likely to be harmless on the basis of
exposure studies in humans or experimental studies
in animals."


3- Vaccines are contaminated with human and animal viruses and bacteria

Nope.

http://www.immunizationinfo.org/file...es/4_VAC_I.pdf

4 - Vaccines can cause serious immediate side effects.

Sure. One study showed the risk of anaphylaxis was 0 to 14.4 cases per
1 000 000 doses: RISK OF ANAPHYLAXIS AFTER VACCINATION OF CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS -- Moss 114 (2): 524 -- Pediatrics (http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/114/2/S1/524 - broken link). This is something any medical office administering medications should be prepared to treat.

Vaccines do not cause SIDS. SIDS can largely be prevented by placing infants on their backs to sleep: CDC - Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) and Vaccines - Vaccine Safety

Inflicted Head Trauma in Children (http://www2.wfubmc.edu/articles/inflicted+head+trauma/ - broken link) : "vaccinations and seizures do not cause the constellation of symptoms seen with violent shaking."

Vaccination, seizures and 'vaccine damage'. [Curr Opin Neurol. 2007] - PubMed result : "RECENT FINDINGS: Over the last decade the introduction of new vaccines such as the acellular pertussis vaccine has produced a reduction in seizures following vaccination, the outcome of which was benign even with older vaccines. New evidence emerged in 2006 showing that cases of alleged 'vaccine encephalopathy' are due to mutations within a sodium channel gene. The weight of epidemiological evidence does not support a relationship between vaccination and childhood epileptic encephalopathies or autism spectrum disorders."

5 - Vaccines can cause serious long-term side effects.

Vaccines have not been shown to cause any of the medical conditions in this ridiculous list. Just grasping at straws to justify not using vaccines.

6 - Vaccines do not necessarily protect against infectious diseases.

A misinterpretation of the way vaccines work. Suppose that an infection with virus X will occur in 50% of people exposed to it. There is a vaccine that will prevent it in 90% of people exposed to it. Ninety percent of the population receives the vaccine, ten percent does not. Expose a population of 100 000 people to virus X. Ninety thousand have been vaccinated. Ten percent of those are infected anyway: 9 000. Ten thousand did not get the vaccine. Five thousand of those get the virus. Yes, more people in the vaccinated group got the virus. However, 81 000 in the vaccinated group did not get it. So, 1 in 9 in the vaccinated group got sick, and 1 in 2 in the unvaccinated group got sick. The unvaccinated group is almost 5 times as likely to get sick. Take away the vaccine, and 50 000 get sick.

7 - Doctors, as paid salesmen for vaccine products, are no longer considered to be trustworthy arbiters of their safety and effectiveness.

I know nothing about medical care in Australia. In the USA, no doctor makes a significant amount of money off vaccines. most barely break even.

8 - Pharmaceutical companies have paid for almost all vaccine research to date.

Drug companies also do not make big money from vaccines. That is why many pharm companies have gotten out of the vaccine business.

9 - Doctors and health professionals rarely if ever report vaccine reactions.

That is because serious reactions are so rare, most doctors will never see one! Minor reactions would not generate a report --- time consuming and a waste of money.

10 - Some childhood illnesses have beneficial aspects and therefore, prevention may not necessarily be in the best interests of the child.

Measles does not prevent eczema: Measles and atopic diseases: no proof of prevention -- Moulton 162 (6): 865 -- Canadian Medical Association Journal .
As far as passive immunity is concerned, if all those coming in contact with a newborn are fully immunized, the child is protected by herd immunity. The best way to protect newborns (and others who are not eligible to be vaccinated for medical reasons) is to vaccinate everyone else.


"[SIZE=2]According to medical reports, children are now less healthy than they have ever been before. More than 40% of all children now suffer from chronic conditions , something that was unheard of prior to mass vaccination. Vaccines have been associated with such conditions as Asthma, Eczema, Food Allergies, Chronic Ear Infections, Insulin Dependent Diabetes, Arthritis, Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis, Autism, Attention Deficit Disorder, Ulcerative Colitis, Irritable Bowel Syndrome, Hyperactivity, Schizophrenia, Multiple Sclerosis, Cancer and a raft of other chronic and auto-immune conditions which are experiencing dramatic rises in incidence."

I like that the best though....as most all of those can be linked to a poor western diet with an increasingly sedentary lifestyle. The sad fact is in the next 10-20 years hundreds of children will die from this idiocy before the government mandates vaccinations as public health and no longer a choice.
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Old 12-03-2010, 10:46 AM
 
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WAVE - Vaccine Ingredients (http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/ - broken link)http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

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Old 12-03-2010, 11:58 AM
 
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WAVE - Vaccine Ingredients (http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/ - broken link)http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

CDC - Addressing Common Concerns - Vaccine Safety
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Old 12-04-2010, 09:51 AM
 
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the cdc says that most recalls are due to concerns about efficacy..A bold lie, they are recalled because of a high number of serious reactions..Basically addressing common concerns to them means telling parents "it's ok, reactions are rare...trust us. they don't even tell you what tests were done to show if the vaccine is safe or not...probably because they haven't done any and we are the guinea pigs..
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Old 12-04-2010, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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the cdc says that most recalls are due to concerns about efficacy..A bold lie, they are recalled because of a high number of serious reactions..Basically addressing common concerns to them means telling parents "it's ok, reactions are rare...trust us. they don't even tell you what tests were done to show if the vaccine is safe or not...probably because they haven't done any and we are the guinea pigs..
How vaccines are tested before being offered to the general public ( a great web site, by the way, with lots of info):

How are new vaccines tested before public use? « VACCINE CENTRAL

CDC - Vaccines - Vaccine Safety

"Monitoring health problems after vaccination is essential to ensure vaccines are held to the highest standard of safety. Years of testing are required by law before a vaccine can be licensed. Once licensed and in use, vaccines are continuously monitored for safety and efficacy."


More info on safety:
CDC - Testing and Monitoring - Vaccine Safety

There are links to other pages in the web site and to external links on safety of vaccines as well.

The info is there, purehuman. You just need to read it. It is not hard to find.
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Old 12-07-2010, 03:54 PM
 
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Flu Vaccine Banned in Australia but safe in the US????? - MothersClick

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Old 12-07-2010, 04:53 PM
 
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Old news, and obsolete.

Ban on flu vaccine for young children lifted | News.com.au
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Old 12-22-2010, 03:37 PM
 
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The children who suffered these severe adverse reactions are not old news and obsolete.
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Old 01-01-2011, 08:17 AM
 
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How vaccines are tested before being offered to the general public ( a great web site, by the way, with lots of info):

How are new vaccines tested before public use? « VACCINE CENTRAL

CDC - Vaccines - Vaccine Safety

"Monitoring health problems after vaccination is essential to ensure vaccines are held to the highest standard of safety. Years of testing are required by law before a vaccine can be licensed. Once licensed and in use, vaccines are continuously monitored for safety and efficacy."


More info on safety:
CDC - Testing and Monitoring - Vaccine Safety

There are links to other pages in the web site and to external links on safety of vaccines as well.

The info is there, purehuman. You just need to read it. It is not hard to find.
Your cdc sites basically tell me nothing, they don't show any concrete information on testing strategies or results..The imformation they give you is almost always useless, but they should always come with the words "trust me" after them, because THAT is basically what all their phony sites say.
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