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Old 10-25-2012, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Back in the gym...Yo Adrian!
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Too bad baseball doesn't feel the same way...otherwise the arrogant piece of garbage who goes by the name of Barry Bonds would have all of his records stripped.

I think Armstrong did more good than bad for cycling, just like Tiger did more good than bad for golf. Both juicers and liars, but you have to weigh the good to the bad. Who among us has never told a lie? I'm not giving him a pass, but I don't think it's right to single him out from an entire sport that is juicing. I guess if you come in second place, or tenth place it doesn't matter if you used PED's, only if you win.
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Old 10-28-2012, 02:59 PM
Status: "Im Tal der donnerden Hufe...." (set 25 days ago)
 
Location: Midwestern Dystopia
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Now that every one is happy about throwing Lance Armstrong under the bus maybe we can look for more American hero's to trash, how about that Michael Phelps? 22 Olympic medals? yeah right.doped all the way i say.
And how about that Tiger Woods? ya dont get muscle development like his by just playing golf, another candidate for being on the juice.
Actually looking up American sport heros on Google doesnt come up with much.

This it? American Athletic Heroes Page 1 | USA Hero
Phelps was arrested TWICE for DRUNK DRIVING. NBC doesn't like that dirty truth exposed.


and your sarcasm re: Tiger Woods is actually on the mark.

Dr. Anthony Galea Charged With Unlawfully Treating Pro Football Players With Unapproved Drugs And Human Growth Hormone


why would a half-billionaire meet a CDN doctor who's not even allowed to work in the US when he has unlimited access to the best doctors, hospitals, clinics, and technology in the world?

did you honestly not see the change in his physique after the long layoff?
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Old 10-28-2012, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Did anyone watch The World According to Lance on CNN last night? The show covered a lot of detail and presented it well.

It originally aired on the Four Corners TV series in Australia. They posted the entire show online:
The World According to Lance - Four Corners

They also posted an in-depth article on the "key players," including a videotaped deposition of Armstrong in the SCA case (He firmly states under oath that he never used performance enhancing drugs):
The World According to Lance - key players

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Old 11-01-2012, 07:45 AM
 
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Now that every one is happy about throwing Lance Armstrong under the bus maybe we can look for more American hero's to trash, how about that Michael Phelps? 22 Olympic medals? yeah right.doped all the way i say.
And how about that Tiger Woods? ya dont get muscle development like his by just playing golf, another candidate for being on the juice.
Actually looking up American sport heros on Google doesnt come up with much.

This it? American Athletic Heroes Page 1 | USA Hero
Phelps's performance is believable because his dominance is illusory. He is the very best intermediate sprinter in the fly of his era and a very good intermediate sprinter in the free. That combination and the fact he is an American which has great depth to always medal in relays (9 of his medals are relays) leads to a bunch of medals because there are a ton of events for that skill set.

Compare if you are a great middle distance backstoker and fly. There are no events beyond the 200 M and no relays. You could be the greatest middle distance backstoker and fly swimmer of all time and not even make the U.S. Olympic team because of the depth at 100M and 200M intermediate sprints in those strokes.

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Old 11-01-2012, 07:58 AM
 
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He's an arrogant cheater and a liar ... not much more to say.
I have mixed feelings here. First, the charges are far from being proven, even though everyone, including the racing authorities, are acting as though they're firmly established facts. Second, I question the whole "performance enhancing substance" obsession.

Water is a performance enhancing substance. If you don't believe me, ban it's use and see what happens.
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It's a man riding a bike!!!!!!!! We are focused on a man riding a Bicycle! Are you kidding me!!!
Let me try to wrap this around my cottonpickin ignorant brotha of anotha's mind. We are
addressing an issue about a man riding a bike ...are ya nuts!!!?????
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:25 AM
 
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Too bad baseball doesn't feel the same way...otherwise the arrogant piece of garbage who goes by the name of Barry Bonds would have all of his records stripped.

I think Armstrong did more good than bad for cycling, just like Tiger did more good than bad for golf. Both juicers and liars, but you have to weigh the good to the bad. Who among us has never told a lie? I'm not giving him a pass, but I don't think it's right to single him out from an entire sport that is juicing. I guess if you come in second place, or tenth place it doesn't matter if you used PED's, only if you win.
One of the sad things about Lance was in 1998 the Festina scandal hit and a lot of riders got caught in an institutional doping ring. There were riders like those that confessed in the USADA report that wanted to get rid of doping and pointed fingers at the shady doctors that had taken over the doping.

Lance, instead, did what Festina did but better and smarter. Better dope, better doping doctors, better test avoidance schemes. But he also went out of his way to drive the riders that wanted the expose the shady system out of racing and destroyed the racers that gave out warnings the system was still rotten.

So instead of doping regime crumbling in 1999, it got stronger under the leadership of Lance, and it basically still exists. He is a huge reason why doping was so common in his era. Other teams would hire U.S. Post Office riders because they knew Lance was at the cutting edge of doping and they wanted insights on how he was doing it.
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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It's a man riding a bike!!!!!!!! We are focused on a man riding a Bicycle! Are you kidding me!!!
Let me try to wrap this around my cottonpickin ignorant brotha of anotha's mind. We are
addressing an issue about a man riding a bike ...are ya nuts!!!?????
Yeah weird stuff. I watched a big TV show last month where these men in tight pajama pants threw a little white ball around and hit it with a big stick.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:39 AM
Status: "Im Tal der donnerden Hufe...." (set 25 days ago)
 
Location: Midwestern Dystopia
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Yeah weird stuff. I watched a big TV show last month where these men in tight pajama pants threw a little white ball around and hit it with a big stick.

Cricket?
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Cricket?
I don't think so. The man announcing kept calling them giant tigers.
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