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Old 03-18-2019, 11:25 AM
 
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Why does Track & Field have hurdles, and relays, but no Shuttle Run or Zig Zag Course?

If you do can be an elite hurdler, does it mean you are also elite sprinter just based on the fact, you muscles are trained in something more extreme? What does hurdles prove exactly? Same for Relays. What does Relays prove?

There is also the triple jump. I dont understand what that proves. What does pole vaulting show?

Also the 200m, and 400m apparently have tactics involved, and need technique to run the curve portion. Well, then why not a zig zag, and shuttle race too. There certainly is tactics in that.
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Old 03-18-2019, 12:19 PM
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I always thought there should be a 200 meter circle with the 3 medals on a table in the middle and the sprinters should start on the edge and race to get their medals.
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Old 03-18-2019, 03:42 PM
 
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I always thought there should be a 200 meter circle with the 3 medals on a table in the middle and the sprinters should start on the edge and race to get their medals.
But a radius of 200m is going to be a huge track. That is not realistic. That is even larger than a footie pitch.
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Old 03-18-2019, 06:47 PM
 
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But a radius of 200m is going to be a huge track. That is not realistic. That is even larger than a footie pitch.

its about half of a 440 yard track which is the same size track you find around the average football field. you might know the 440 today as 400 meters.


getting back to the OPs question, the events you find in track and field are the same events, or very similar to the ones used, in ancient greece for their military training events. back then you had to run short distances quickly, had to be able to hand notes to the rear area commanders to the next man in the relay while he is running, etc. the marathon was created when a greek soldier ran 26 miles from the battle field to a town called marathon greece to call up reinforcements. the events of pole vaulting, the hammer throw, the long jump, the high jump, the hurdles, the shotput throw, the discus and javelin throws were all part of the military training, or were used as part of the military war effort. for instance the javelin was an actual military throwing weapon.


the events you inquire about were not even around back then.
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Old 03-18-2019, 08:43 PM
 
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its about half of a 440 yard track which is the same size track you find around the average football field. you might know the 440 today as 400 meters.


getting back to the OPs question, the events you find in track and field are the same events, or very similar to the ones used, in ancient greece for their military training events. back then you had to run short distances quickly, had to be able to hand notes to the rear area commanders to the next man in the relay while he is running, etc. the marathon was created when a greek soldier ran 26 miles from the battle field to a town called marathon greece to call up reinforcements. the events of pole vaulting, the hammer throw, the long jump, the high jump, the hurdles, the shotput throw, the discus and javelin throws were all part of the military training, or were used as part of the military war effort. for instance the javelin was an actual military throwing weapon.


the events you inquire about were not even around back then.
But how is 100m sprint, hurdles, triple jump, high jump, and long jump useful in warfare? I take it the zig zag, and shuttle are more useful than 100m sprint.
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Old 03-19-2019, 01:46 AM
 
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But how is 100m sprint, hurdles, triple jump, high jump, and long jump useful in warfare? I take it the zig zag, and shuttle are more useful than 100m sprint.

you have to remember what warfare was like back then. it wasnt your army with guns and heavy artillery against my army with the same thing. it was mounted calvary units, massed formations of foot soldiers, with various hand weapons, like clubs, knives, swords, pole weapons, and shields.


back then you had to be able to jump up to attack a mounted calvary soldier, you had to be able to sprint to engage the enemy, and you had to hurdle objects to get to that enemy. this zig zag stuff, and this shuttle what ever didnt come into play until rather recently. in fact zig zag running didnt really come into play until world war two when there was heavy fighting in the cities and towns, and even then it was run in a straight line to get to a cover position, then take stock of things going on around you, and run to the next bit of cover(lather rinse repeat.
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Old 03-20-2019, 09:02 PM
 
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Why does Track & Field have hurdles, and relays, but no Shuttle Run or Zig Zag Course?
Because history was different.

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If you do can be an elite hurdler, does it mean you are also elite sprinter just based on the fact, you muscles are trained in something more extreme? What does hurdles prove exactly? Same for Relays. What does Relays prove?
Usually good hurdlers are fast but not as fast as 100m sprinters. What it proves is that you are good at hurdling. It shows you have speed, technique, coordination, timing, etc.

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There is also the triple jump. I dont understand what that proves.
You need speed, timing, power, coordination, technique to be a good triple jumper.

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What does pole vaulting show?
Same as above and great body awareness.

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Also the 200m, and 400m apparently have tactics involved, and need technique to run the curve portion. Well, then why not a zig zag, and shuttle race too. There certainly is tactics in that.
Every track and field event requires some sort of technique in certain degrees. The more you add to the event the more demanding it becomes and the more you will have to utilize different aspects o athleticism. This is why decathletes are considered the worlds greatest athletes.

There is a lot that goes into perfecting each event and each represents a different type and degree of athleticism.

Early on they used to have the standing high jump and the standing long jump (which is still done in American football combine). You try standing still and then jumping over a 5'6'' bar. This was done way back in the day by a guy named Ray Ewry. Doing that back then is a hell of a feat. If you can't recognize how impressive this is or anything else these guys do/did you need help. Try it and see how you do and gain some perspective. You'll appreciate it more.
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Old 03-22-2019, 04:18 PM
 
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Because history was different.

Usually good hurdlers are fast but not as fast as 100m sprinters. What it proves is that you are good at hurdling. It shows you have speed, technique, coordination, timing, etc.

You need speed, timing, power, coordination, technique to be a good triple jumper.

Same as above and great body awareness.

Every track and field event requires some sort of technique in certain degrees. The more you add to the event the more demanding it becomes and the more you will have to utilize different aspects o athleticism. This is why decathletes are considered the worlds greatest athletes.

There is a lot that goes into perfecting each event and each represents a different type and degree of athleticism.

Early on they used to have the standing high jump and the standing long jump (which is still done in American football combine). You try standing still and then jumping over a 5'6'' bar. This was done way back in the day by a guy named Ray Ewry. Doing that back then is a hell of a feat. If you can't recognize how impressive this is or anything else these guys do/did you need help. Try it and see how you do and gain some perspective. You'll appreciate it more.
So then why not include the Shuttle Run, and Zig Zag. Certainly it proves nothing less than standing vertical jumps or standing. And getting a high vertical is really just about doing the proper weight lifting. And I am pretty sure 5ft vertical is impossible.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn0lqMuGguw

And in regards to decathlon, it does not really test endurance/stamina of athletes. They dont make the athletes compete head to head, trying to out do each as many times over until someone drops dead. That would be more similar to ancient combat.
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Old 03-22-2019, 06:42 PM
 
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OP what is your fetish with this zig zag and shuttle run crap?



as for the decathalon, that is a test of the RANGE of abilities of athletes. you compete in ten different events, and you earn points based on how well you did in each event. the winner is the one that accrues the most points.so if you are great at the rnning events, but lousy at the field events, you are not likely to win the decathlon now are you?
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Old 03-24-2019, 10:51 AM
 
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Of all the Track and Field events not in the Olympic games I'd like to see, my vote goes to cross country.
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