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Old 11-18-2019, 08:01 AM
 
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Garrett got what he deserved as punishment, but if Rudolph had any integrity, he would own up to his part in the incident (as in he was trying to take Garrett's helmet off when they where on the ground and then went after him after getting up).


And Rudolph should be eternally grateful for having a lineman like DeCastro (he should be godfather to his kids or something).
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Old 11-18-2019, 08:42 AM
 
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What Rudolph did isn't any big deal and NOBODY would suggest he did anything that warranted a suspension if not for the surreal act of an opponent nailing you in the head with a helmet. If that's the case, then where are the countless suspensions and fines on a weekly basis for the equally malicious behavior of players not backing down, pushing at and trying to remove an opponent's helmet (back to that in a second) or overreacting to getting hit in a game that has long since been decided? Or not decided for that matter? It happens over and over and nobody has a problem with it. A player uses a helmet as a weapon and the punishment is too one-sided, with even some pathetically bringing up the race card. Unreal.

And as for the whole "trying to remove a player's helmet" angle, Rudolph claims his hand was caught in Garrett's helmet. Nobody but the two players involved know if that is true or not. But apparently others who are trying too hard to be the contrarian, have decided that for the rest of us. It certainly does happen in games and no one can surmise from the video whether it is the case or not.
Again no one is denying Garrett's actions were wrong. It still doesn't change this may not have gotten to that point if Rudolph didn't confront/go up to Garrett. He is the (backup) QB. His team needs him to stay healthy, not put himself in a position that may backfire. Just like schoolboys in a playground you cannot confront a player angrily without risk you make a costly mistake or something else happens.

You have to look at the bigger picture. If Rudolph had gotten a concussion after confronting him, how does that help the Steelers? You can blame Garrett for hitting; yet you cannot expect the Steelers not to be somewhat disappointed in Rudolph since his offensive line was trying to hold him back, and he went to him anyway. He has to at the very least keep his emotions in check, and save the frustrations for the locker room later.

None of the established QB (Brees, Brady, Wilson, Rodgers, etc.) would have done that because it is still irresponsible and it could possibly hurt them and the team.

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Old 11-18-2019, 09:40 AM
 
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Again no one is denying Garrett's actions were wrong. It still doesn't change this may not have gotten to that point if Rudolph didn't confront/go up to Garrett. He is the (backup) QB. His team needs him to stay healthy, not put himself in a position that may backfire. Just like schoolboys in a playground you cannot confront a player angrily without risk you make a costly mistake or something else happens.

You have to look at the bigger picture. If Rudolph had gotten a concussion after confronting him, how does that help the Steelers? You can blame Garrett for hitting; yet you cannot expect the Steelers not to be somewhat disappointed in Rudolph since his offensive line was trying to hold him back, and he went to him anyway. He has to at the very least keep his emotions in check, and save the frustrations for the locker room later.

None of the established QB (Brees, Brady, Wilson, Rodgers, etc.) would have done that because it is still irresponsible and it could possibly hurt them and the team.
Not saying Rudolph did the smartt thing. That's another issue. Yes, you can surmise Rudolph acted stupidly. But that's different from some who have suggested he should somehow be fined and/or suspended.
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Old 11-18-2019, 10:54 AM
 
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Not to sound flippant but that clearly didn't happen here.

Look, I acknowledge that what Garrett did was not good. I just thought it was worse than it was based on the commentary I heard when before I actually saw footage of the incident, which made it seem more serious than it was IMO.

i have had to deal with the aftermath of neck injuries due to a helmet being torn off a player forcibly. when i was in high school we had a player whose helmet was forcibly removed from his head. he had a pinched nerve in his neck that caused him to walk around with his head tilted to one side to avoid the pain of that injury for more than a week.



and yes what i indicated didnt happen, but it could easily have happened, and that was the point.
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Old 11-18-2019, 11:20 AM
 
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Garrett got what he deserved as punishment, but if Rudolph had any integrity, he would own up to his part in the incident (as in he was trying to take Garrett's helmet off when they where on the ground and then went after him after getting up).


And Rudolph should be eternally grateful for having a lineman like DeCastro (he should be godfather to his kids or something).
Own up? Like the hundreds of other players every week who get into a scuffle and reach, grab face masks, push/shove even from the blindside? Trying to take off Garrett's helmet? You don't have any idea if that's the case. We've been thru this already. You can't surmise that was the case, any more than someone stating Rudolph's hand was caught in Garrett's face mask, which is not rare to happen.
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Old 11-18-2019, 04:04 PM
 
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There are too many excuses for Rudolph like he is an innocent participant. He was attacking: like pulling on Garrett's helmet and pursuing even though his team mates were restraining Garrett. Garrett was wrong for hitting him with the helmet but the punishment was also one-sided.

This reminds me to a certain extent of the Lochte Rio incident when he was caught pissing publicly and people were saying that the 32 yr old should be excused because he was "only a kid." Seems some people are BAD and others are always GOOD.
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Old 11-18-2019, 07:04 PM
 
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There are too many excuses for Rudolph like he is an innocent participant. He was attacking: like pulling on Garrett's helmet and pursuing even though his team mates were restraining Garrett. Garrett was wrong for hitting him with the helmet but the punishment was also one-sided.

This reminds me to a certain extent of the Lochte Rio incident when he was caught pissing publicly and people were saying that the 32 yr old should be excused because he was "only a kid." Seems some people are BAD and others are always GOOD.
No excuses what so ever for Randolph's role. Still it doesn't come close to warranting a fine or suspension. Do some of you not pay attention to what happens COUNTLESS plays during the course of an NFL game???
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Old 11-19-2019, 10:00 AM
 
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Long story short. There was a fight. We already know both teams involved were fined. Three players were already suspended, and up to ten players could be fined after all is said and done.

That means everyone involved is likely to face something, and that includes Rudolph whether it matters to someone or not. He was not an innocent bystander that sat while someone attached him. They’re not going to punish everyone else, while the QB goes Scott free when still shares partial responsibility for a situation that inevitably turned ugly. After all, the ownership did absolutely nothing but they still have to pay fines for something that ultimately didn’t have to go to the extent that it did.
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Old 11-20-2019, 02:19 PM
 
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Long story short. There was a fight. We already know both teams involved were fined. Three players were already suspended, and up to ten players could be fined after all is said and done.

That means everyone involved is likely to face something, and that includes Rudolph whether it matters to someone or not. He was not an innocent bystander that sat while someone attached him. They’re not going to punish everyone else, while the QB goes Scott free when still shares partial responsibility for a situation that inevitably turned ugly. After all, the ownership did absolutely nothing but they still have to pay fines for something that ultimately didn’t have to go to the extent that it did.
But then there's also the weenie that came up behind Rudolph and pushed him in the back to the ground. Total cheap shot!
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Old 11-21-2019, 09:43 PM
 
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Own up? Like the hundreds of other players every week who get into a scuffle and reach, grab face masks, push/shove even from the blindside? Trying to take off Garrett's helmet? You don't have any idea if that's the case. We've been thru this already. You can't surmise that was the case, any more than someone stating Rudolph's hand was caught in Garrett's face mask, which is not rare to happen.


We're talking about PRO FOOTBALL HERE! All they do is push shove, hit, grab...........
It is a very violent sport and injuries happen all the time.


If you hit someone on the street in the head with something as heavy and hard as a football helmet you would soon be in state prison. On the street or the football field any human being has the right to defend him or herself. Scuffles occur often in contact sports.


But to pull a stunt like that and then blame the victim, that goes beyond lame and stupid.

But then again the QB was white. Thus all the support for that coward.


Then comes the "he called me the N word" Even if he did, is it worth throwing everything away? Maybe prison time? Where's the proof?



You can bet the farm that dirtbag wouldn't have done that to Cam Newton or Dak Prescott
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