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Old 05-08-2022, 09:01 PM
 
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That overhead view is amazing! Also makes you realize he had to cover more ground than the other horses did with all that "weaving through traffic" he did.

Calumet pony, right?
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Old 05-08-2022, 10:13 PM
 
Location: The 719
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Secretariat was not a closer.
That's misleading.

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"His debut race went poorly.
Even though he ended up becoming one of the best racehorses in the world, Secretariat’s debut race went rather poorly. The race took place on July 4, 1972, at the Aqueduct Racetrack. The catalyst for trouble was a horse named Quebec, which cut in front of the field. The cut resulted in a chain reaction that eventually ended with Secretariat being bumped pretty hard.

Jockey Paul Feliciano said that a less strong horse would have fallen after that hit, but Secretariat was strong and kept going. He recovered much of his lost ground but ran into traffic at the backstretch. At the top of the stretch, he was tenth, and he managed to make an outstanding recovery, eventually ending the race in the fourth position."
So, Secretariat's debut race that went poorly demonstrated he could close if he had to, like if he was bumped badly, but managed to not fall after a hard hit, then to be so strong so as to keep going, and although recovering much of his ground... aka closing, run into traffic in the backstretch, where he could go from 10th position to 4th, thus again, being a "closer".

So there you go.

Williepaws, you are thusly correct.
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Old 05-09-2022, 06:37 AM
 
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That's misleading.



So, Secretariat's debut race that went poorly demonstrated he could close if he had to, like if he was bumped badly, but managed to not fall after a hard hit, then to be so strong so as to keep going, and although recovering much of his ground... aka closing, run into traffic in the backstretch, where he could go from 10th position to 4th, thus again, being a "closer".

So there you go.

Williepaws, you are thusly correct.
Nope, but thanks for trying.

Does not fit any definition of a closer, despite one race in which he LOST but made up ground.

Look at his PPs.
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Old 05-09-2022, 10:55 AM
 
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Nope, but thanks for trying.

Does not fit any definition of a closer, despite one race in which he LOST but made up ground.

Look at his PPs.
Two of us disagree with you so you are wrong.

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But back to Rich Strike...
Ok, back to Rich Strike.

The horse was sure a bit bitey with that other horse after the race. That was rather entertaining too.

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Old 05-09-2022, 10:58 AM
 
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But back to Rich Strike...
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Old 05-09-2022, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Paradise
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He should be banned for life. Who will ever really trust him?
Many race horse owners will trust him.

Two did for Derby horses - Messier and Taiba. Both were trained by Baffert until about six weeks before the Derby when training responsibilities were transferred to Tim Yakteen. All of the other support staff (grooms, riders, etc) remained the same for both horses.

Rich Strike's win was the second longest odds ever to win. Donerail won in 1913 at 91:1.

An impressive win for a beautiful horse. I hope he continues to perform at this level so we can see him more.
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Old 05-09-2022, 11:55 AM
 
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Ok, back to Rich Strike.

The horse was sure a bit bitey with that other horse after the race. That was rather entertaining too
I hated that...
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Old 05-09-2022, 11:59 AM
 
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I hated that...
The pony rider behaved totally inappropriately. They should sue him!
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Old 05-09-2022, 12:03 PM
 
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The pony rider behaved totally inappropriately. They should sue him!
I thought that too...but then I remembered Rich Strike is now a $3 million dollar horse. You don't let $3M horses just run out their aggressions on a field with lots of other million dollar horses - that's how they end up injured and dead.

Rich Strike was definitely up in his muscles and running hot after that race. He probably needed a bit more time to calm down - or the crowd noise and all the activity stressed him out.

To an outsider (and I am one) the outriders actions probably looked much worse. In the end, it was his responsibility to get that horse under control. I don't approve of his technique necessarily, but I wasn't there.
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Old 05-09-2022, 12:47 PM
 
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Two of us disagree with you so you are wrong.



Ok, back to Rich Strike.

The horse was sure a bit bitey with that other horse after the race. That was rather entertaining too.

1. The outrider/pony rider did the right thing. You can not let a horse get away with biting other horses AND people. Rich Strike took a chunk out of not only the pony, but the rider, too. There's a photo of the bleeding rider out there somewhere.

2. Keen Ice, Rich Strike's sire, was also a tough customer.

3. Firenze Fire (I think) was biting his competitors during races. Maybe that's why they retired him.
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