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Old 08-18-2013, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Branson, Missouri
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With a 95% white population, doesn't sound like enough minorities live in Springfield for the whites to have a reason to be racist. My guess is it's your typical medium sized, mostly white, middle class Midwestern town. Not too much different from Ft Wayne, Indiana, Des Moines Iowa, or Topeka Kansas. You'll be treated respectfully, and if there are racists there, they will keep their racism to their selves.
Actually Springfield is nothing like any of those cities you listed. Have you been there before? There is a big southern component to Springfield.
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Old 08-18-2013, 07:49 PM
 
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With a 95% white population, doesn't sound like enough minorities live in Springfield for the whites to have a reason to be racist. My guess is it's your typical medium sized, mostly white, middle class Midwestern town. Not too much different from Ft Wayne, Indiana, Des Moines Iowa, or Topeka Kansas. You'll be treated respectfully, and if there are racists there, they will keep their racism to their selves.
Ok this is what I've been told by several down there. They say last years several Blacks have moved in from Chicago bringing their problems with them.

Like I say just what I heard.

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Old 08-18-2013, 08:11 PM
 
Location: South Austin near Wm Cannon and South First
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Actually Springfield is nothing like any of those cities you listed. Have you been there before? There is a big southern component to Springfield.
I spent a few days in Springfield, I been to Branson. I've been to Shreveport, Little Rock, Jackson, Macon, Chatanooga and Columbia. Springfield feels much more like Ft Wayne, Topeka, and Des Moines than it feels anything like Shreveport, Jackson, Little Rock, Macon, Chatanooga or Columbia. Springfield looks and feels more like a Midwestern city than it looks and feels like a Southern city.

Actually, now that I think about it, Springfield reminds me a lot of Evansville, Indiana, in looks, climate, accent, attitudes, demographics and feel.

Branson feels like a theme park. Very similar to Laughlin only with music venues instead of casinos.

Springfield is a nice clean, well kept city and I would surmise a very nice place to live and raise a family.

On the other hand, I have no desire to ever go back to Branson. Unless Emmylou Harris opened her own theater. Then that would change everything.

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Old 08-18-2013, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Branson, Missouri
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I spent a few days in Springfield, I been to Branson. I've been to Shreveport, Little Rock, Jackson, Macon, Chatanooga and Columbia. Springfield feels much more like Ft Wayne, Topeka, and Des Moines than it feels anything like Shreveport, Jackson, Little Rock, Macon, Chatanooga or Columbia. Springfield looks and feels more like a Midwestern city than it looks and feels like a Southern city.

Actually, now that I think about it, Springfield reminds me a lot of Evansville, Indiana, in looks, climate, accent, attitudes, demographics and feel.

Branson feels like a theme park. Very similar to Laughlin only with music venues instead of casinos.

Springfield is a nice clean, well kept city and I would surmise a very nice place to live and raise a family.

On the other hand, I have no desire to ever go back to Branson. Unless Emmylou Harris opened her own theater. Then that would change everything.

I am gonna have to disagree with you. Springfield is 1 hour from Arkansas and around 4 hours from little rock. To say that it is totally Midwestern and has more in common with cities much further away is crazy in my book. Also to compare Branson to some random city in Nevada I have never heard of is equally interesting. Last I checked 99% of people who live in Branson consider ourselves southern, including me. Did you not think Branson was southern when you visited? I would be extremely surprised if you didn't... Look at any dialect, religion, climate and topographic map..

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Old 08-18-2013, 11:02 PM
 
Location: South Austin near Wm Cannon and South First
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I am gonna have to disagree with you. Springfield is 1 hour from Arkansas and around 4 hours from little rock. To say that it is totally Midwestern and has more in common with cities much further away is crazy in my book. Also to compare Branson to some random city in Nevada I have never heard of is equally interesting. Last I checked 99% of people who live in Branson consider ourselves southern, including me. Did you not think Branson was southern when you visited? I would be extremely surprised if you didn't...
Laughlin is a small town about 7,000 on the Nevada - Arizona border with mostly nothing but casinos. I'm guessing about 15 casinos. Large casinos. That's what Branson reminded me of. Only instead of large casinos, Branson has large music venues. And no, Branson didn't strike me as being Southern. It struck me as tourist town that caters to retirees. Being so close to Arkansas, I'm sure there are some Southerners there, but it's still felt like a small Midwestern town that makes it's living off country music. Look up Laughlin on city-data.com or Wikipedia. It's only been a town for 20 or 30 years or so. No wonder you might not have heard of it, but it's a thriving vibrant little gambling town.

I just didn't catch the Southern vibe in Springfield. Springfield is close to the South, but it's still in the Midwest and that's how it looks and feels to me. Like a typical Midwestern town.I didn't detect a SOuthenr accent. But just a flat Midwestern accent. The architecture looks Midwestern. The houses looked a lot like houses in most Midwestern mid sized towns. No offense to Southern towns, because I love the South,, but Midwestern towns as a rule seem better well kept, especially the smaller towns. Springfield seems very well kept. Much more so than say, Shreveport, for example, even though I like Shreveport alot. Shreveport just seems a whole lot grittier than Springfield. I'm not exactly sure what they mean by "The Dirty South", but Shreveport fits that description. And I don't mean dirty as in unsanitary, but dirty as in gritty and funky.

When I was in your area, nobody made me think or gave me a clue I was in the South. In the restarunts I ate at in Branson and Springfield I don't remember seeing red eye gravy on the menu. Or grits, for that matter. I'm not saying you cant find red eye gravy in Springfield, I'm just saying in the 4 or 5 restarunts I ate at, it wasn't on the menu. I was in the Lower Midwest region of the United States, not the South.

When I drive from Arkansas or Oklahoma into Missouri, within a couple of miles it feels like I've entered a different region. Even the landscape changes somewhat. For one thing, seems like the trees are taller.

Missouri is a Midwestern State and you can't get around it. In the civil war, it was a border state, but still very much in the Midwest (or maybe the west, way back then), not the South. Missouri feels every bit as Midwestern as Indiana. Indiana has it's regions where the people claim to be Southern, but it's till Midwest, even though a lot of Kentuckians and Tennesseeans live there.

Kentucky was a border state during the civil was, but it definitely feels as Southern as Tennessee, even though a lot of Kentuckians claim Kentucky is part of the Midwest..

Just because there's a higher than average percentage of Southerners in a Midwest town doesn't make it Southern. If that was the case, then Houston would be considered Northern because there are tons of people there from the Midwest and Northeast and they brought their culture with them.

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Old 08-19-2013, 12:07 AM
 
Location: Branson, Missouri
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Laughlin is a small town about 7,000 on the Nevada - Arizona border with mostly nothing but casinos. I'm guessing about 15 casinos. Large casinos. That's what Branson reminded me of. Only instead of large casinos, Branson has large music venues. And no, Branson didn't strike me as being Southern. It struck me as tourist town that caters to retirees. Being so close to Arkansas, I'm sure there are some Southerners there, but it's still felt like a small Midwestern town that makes it's living off country music. Look up Laughlin on city-data.com or Wikipedia. It's only been a town for 20 or 30 years or so. No wonder you might not have heard of it, but it's a thriving vibrant little gambling town.

I just didn't catch the Southern vibe in Springfield. Springfield is close to the South, but it's still in the Midwest and that's how it looks and feels to me. Like a typical Midwestern town.I didn't detect a SOuthenr accent. But just a flat Midwestern accent. The architecture looks Midwestern. The houses looked a lot like houses in most Midwestern mid sized towns. No offense to Southern towns, because I love the South,, but Midwestern towns as a rule seem better well kept, especially the smaller towns. Springfield seems very well kept. Much more so than say, Shreveport, for example, even though I like Shreveport alot. Shreveport just seems a whole lot grittier than Springfield. I'm not exactly sure what they mean by "The Dirty South", but Shreveport fits that description. And I don't mean dirty as in unsanitary, but dirty as in gritty and funky.

When I was in your area, nobody made me think or gave me a clue I was in the South. In the restarunts I ate at in Branson and Springfield I don't remember seeing red eye gravy on the menu. Or grits, for that matter. I'm not saying you cant find red eye gravy in Springfield, I'm just saying in the 4 or 5 restarunts I ate at, it wasn't on the menu. I was in the Lower Midwest region of the United States, not the South. We are 10 minutes from the Arkansas state line...didn't realize trees and the landscape just magically change in 5 miles. The big difference between Indiana and Missouri is that southern Missouri actually is part of the south. Southern Indiana just has southern influence.

When I drive from Arkansas or Oklahoma into Missouri, within a couple of miles it feels like I've entered a different region. Even the landscape changes somewhat. For one thing, seems like the trees are taller.

Missouri is a Midwestern State and you can't get around it. In the civil war, it was a border state, but still very much in the Midwest (or maybe the west, way back then), not the South. Missouri feels every bit as Midwestern as Indiana. Indiana has it's regions where the people claim to be Southern, but it's till Midwest, even though a lot of Kentuckians and Tennesseeans live there.

Kentucky was a border state during the civil was, but it definitely feels as Southern as Tennessee, even though a lot of Kentuckians claim Kentucky is part of the Midwest..

Just because there's a higher than average percentage of Southerners in a Midwest town doesn't make itp Southern. If that was the case, then Houston would be considered Northern because there are tons of people there from the Midwest and Northeast and they brought their culture with them.
Sorry but you are way off base. If you tell someone from Branson they are Midwestern they will laugh in your face!!! You obviously didn't eat in any restaurants in Branson. We are known for southern cuisine and I don't know or restaurant in town that doesn't have sweet tea. How could you not have heard southern accents?? over 1/2 the tourists in town on any day are actually from arkansas. Have you looked at any dialect maps? These are done by professional linguists. Also there isn't some magical cultural border at the mo/ar state line. Didn't realize that as soon as you cross the state line trees suddenly shrink and the landscape changes!! I didn't know I could drive 10 minutes to Arkansas and suddenly enter a different cultural region. It's funny because I work with people from Arkansas every day and they talk and act just like I do. Sorry but you are the only person I have heard refer to Branson as Midwestern. It's like calling Las Vegas part of the east coast...just doesn't make sense!!!...maybe someone else who has vacationed in Branson before can add on here because I bet you not too many people who have been to Branson here will say it's more Midwestern than southern....

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Old 08-19-2013, 12:51 AM
 
Location: South Austin near Wm Cannon and South First
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Well, there may be a lot of people from Arkansas in your section of Missouri, and they call their selves Southern, and they may be Southern, but regardless of that, they still live in the Midwest region. That's just a fact, whether you like it or not. Missouri is physically and solidly in the Midwest and it's a Midwestern state. Ain't no 2 ways about it. Just look it up in any 5th grade geography book. There's lots of Southerners that live there, but it ain't in the South. I would venture to guess that most people from Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, etc don't consider Missouri to be in the South at all.

I'm not saying you're not Southern, I'm saying if you live in Springfield, Branson, Columbia, St Louis, St Joe, or the boot heel section of Missouri, you live in the Midwest. That makes you a Midwesterner, of Southern distraction, or extraction, or whatever that word is. But if you want to call yourself Southern, I can go along with that. Be my guest. There's people in all regions of the United States, who are originally from other regions of the United States and they still consider theirselves to be what ever region it is they hailed from rather than the region they currently live in.

This whole conversation is very interesting but its getting way off topic. The point of my original post was I don't think the op will encounter any open racism in Springfield and I stand by that. Springfield or Branson or SW Missouri never struck me as an openly racist kind of place. Sure there's mean and stupid people everywhere and anything can happen at anytime, any place, but I'm confident that 99% of the people in Springfield, Branson and SW Missouri will treat the op with respect instead of subjecting him or her to racial insults and threats.

By the way, for what it's worth, I was born in Lebanon, Missouri, in the South Central part.
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:06 AM
 
Location: Branson, Missouri
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Thank you for being so polite in your responses. As you can tell I am passionate about this issue lol. It is true that Missouri is considered the Midwestern by the census bureau which is what I assume you base this assessment on the state as a whole. The census bureau also classifies Maryland and Delaware as being southern. You can't tell me that just because I live in a certain state that I automatically have to be Midwestern, because most is the state may lean that way. Missouri is different than any other Midwestern state. Most people south of i44 consider themselves to be more southern than Midwestern. Branson is not in the Midwest nor will it ever be. Maybe you should take another trip here and talk to locals and listen to the accents. I can't really agree with you either that this part of the state is particularly open minded to other races. That's jus not true. I have experienced racism first hand. It's very sad and sometimes I wish this part of the state what more tolerant of minority groups. The national headquarters of the kkk is actually located 30 minutes from Branson.
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:15 AM
 
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I grew up south of I44 my whole life...

I am certainly not a "southerner"

Proud to be part of the pioneer stock that settled the midwest!
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:26 AM
 
Location: Branson, Missouri
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I grew up south of I44 my whole life...

I am certainly not a "southerner"

Proud to be part of the pioneer stock that settled the midwest!
Pioneer stock? In the ozark hills??? Most people that settled the area were poor hill people that lived off the land and didn't do much farming. Not really a Midwestern trait lol.
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