Moving to Springfield area from Northern MN...nervous... (snake, good)

[xTheGeneralx]

Folks should be nervous about moving to any major city in the midwest. Springfield, Mo (for instance) has one of the HIGHEST CRIME PROFILES out of any city in the U.S. The average for the country is 320.9; Springfield is over 640. Law Enforcement in Springfield must be almost non-existent. Either that or they are not putting the criminals in jail. It's a little weird that Springfield has such high crime, especially since it's supposedly in "The Bible Belt." Maybe I'm just a little spoiled living in a city where there is little crime. That "Loving Your Neighbor" attitude must not be working down there. Tulsa, Joplin, Oklahoma City, Kansas City, and especially the "Murder Capitol of the U.S.-- St. Louis, Mo. need to clean up the crime before anyone should ever consider moving there. It is cheap to live there for a reason (really not so cheap, if one considers the average pay). No jobs (most are very low paying, if you can find one), tornados, ice storms, high crime, very discriminating attitudes by the population, high humidity in the summer, airplane size misquitoes, ticks, lots of spiders/ants/and my favorite... cockroaches by the millions, trash and rusting vehicles on almost every block or acre in the country and if you're a stranger to Springfield... you're an outsider for sure! Most neighborhoods are run-down with very few folks actually keeping their property in tip-top condition. But... I love all of you folks down there in the Ozarks! By-the-way... whoever said that people don't have accents in Springfield is an idiot! He must be tone-death! Blessings to all!

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by xTheGeneralx

Folks should be nervous about moving to any major city in the midwest. Springfield, Mo (for instance) has one of the HIGHEST CRIME PROFILES out of any city in the U.S. The average for the country is 320.9; Springfield is over 640. Law Enforcement in Springfield must be almost non-existent. Either that or they are not putting the criminals in jail. It's a little weird that Springfield has such high crime, especially since it's supposedly in "The Bible Belt." Maybe I'm just a little spoiled living in a city where there is little crime. That "Loving Your Neighbor" attitude must not be working down there. Tulsa, Joplin, Oklahoma City, Kansas City, and especially the "Murder Capitol of the U.S.-- St. Louis, Mo. need to clean up the crime before anyone should ever consider moving there. It is cheap to live there for a reason (really not so cheap, if one considers the average pay). No jobs (most are very low paying, if you can find one), tornados, ice storms, high crime, very discriminating attitudes by the population, high humidity in the summer, airplane size misquitoes, ticks, lots of spiders/ants/and my favorite... cockroaches by the millions, trash and rusting vehicles on almost every block or acre in the country and if you're a stranger to Springfield... you're an outsider for sure! Most neighborhoods are run-down with very few folks actually keeping their property in tip-top condition. But... I love all of you folks down there in the Ozarks! By-the-way... whoever said that people don't have accents in Springfield is an idiot! He must be tone-death! Blessings to all!

Are you related to OB by any chance?

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by xTheGeneralx

Folks should be nervous about moving to any major city in the midwest. Springfield, Mo (for instance) has one of the HIGHEST CRIME PROFILES out of any city in the U.S. The average for the country is 320.9; Springfield is over 640. Law Enforcement in Springfield must be almost non-existent. Either that or they are not putting the criminals in jail. It's a little weird that Springfield has such high crime, especially since it's supposedly in "The Bible Belt." Maybe I'm just a little spoiled living in a city where there is little crime. That "Loving Your Neighbor" attitude must not be working down there. Tulsa, Joplin, Oklahoma City, Kansas City, and especially the "Murder Capitol of the U.S.-- St. Louis, Mo. need to clean up the crime before anyone should ever consider moving there. It is cheap to live there for a reason (really not so cheap, if one considers the average pay). No jobs (most are very low paying, if you can find one), tornados, ice storms, high crime, very discriminating attitudes by the population, high humidity in the summer, airplane size misquitoes, ticks, lots of spiders/ants/and my favorite... cockroaches by the millions, trash and rusting vehicles on almost every block or acre in the country and if you're a stranger to Springfield... you're an outsider for sure! Most neighborhoods are run-down with very few folks actually keeping their property in tip-top condition. But... I love all of you folks down there in the Ozarks! By-the-way... whoever said that people don't have accents in Springfield is an idiot! He must be tone-death! Blessings to all!

One thing I'm going to point out...Tulsa and Oklahoma City are not considered part of the Midwest, by their residents and by the U.S. Census Bureau..they lean more Southern and have more in common with Dallas and Little Rock. As far as the crime issue goes, please...the St. Louis metro area is among the safest in the nation...in fact, with the exception of Detroit, all or most Midwestern metro areas don't come anywhere close to being dangerous in the nation. In St. Louis, you're not likely to get murdered unless you wander into North City or East St. Louis, where no rational person goes unless they are on business or live there, usually it's the latter. Stay away from those areas, and you will find St. Louis to be pretty safe.

[northbayeric]

Good job, ajf! I had the occasion to visit relatives in St. Louis just last week, and was able to spend a little time around Loughborough Avenue and Carondelet Park (south city, Holly Hills area). What a neat area of St. Louis! On Saturday evening (6/20) they were getting ready to show a free outdoor movie at Carondelet Park, and they had a little stand set up with refreshments at a reasonable price. Had I not been on a tight schedule, I would have stuck around and watched the show.

I certainly did not feel at all unsafe there.

It seems like once you get west of the 95th meridian you're in the Great Plains and not the Midwest. Likewise, when you get south of the 36th parallel, which I believe both Tulsa and Oklahoma City (I don't have an atlas or globe in front of me at the moment) are both located. Not the Midwest.

Lest I get too off-topic (these are the Springfield-Branson forums and not the St. Louis forums), I'm admittedly less familiar with Springfield, but would figure the town's got a few isolated pockets that aren't quite up to the mark as far as safety and riff-raff are concerned. One can't characterize all of Springfield as a high-crime ghetto wasteland however.

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by northbayeric

Good job, ajf! I had the occasion to visit relatives in St. Louis just last week, and was able to spend a little time around Loughborough Avenue and Carondelet Park (south city, Holly Hills area). What a neat area of St. Louis! On Saturday evening (6/20) they were getting ready to show a free outdoor movie at Carondelet Park, and they had a little stand set up with refreshments at a reasonable price. Had I not been on a tight schedule, I would have stuck around and watched the show.

I certainly did not feel at all unsafe there.

It seems like once you get west of the 95th meridian you're in the Great Plains and not the Midwest. Likewise, when you get south of the 36th parallel, which I believe both Tulsa and Oklahoma City (I don't have an atlas or globe in front of me at the moment) are both located. Not the Midwest.

Lest I get too off-topic (these are the Springfield-Branson forums and not the St. Louis forums), I'm admittedly less familiar with Springfield, but would figure the town's got a few isolated pockets that aren't quite up to the mark as far as safety and riff-raff are concerned. One can't characterize all of Springfield as a high-crime ghetto wasteland however.

Tulsa and OKC are indeed below the 36th parallel. I agree 100% with this post, Eric. We are both on the same page. Carondelet Park is a great area but it is booby trapped with sinkholes so watch your feet The same thing could be said for Dogtown (also an area full of sinkholes and UNBELIEVABLY steep hills). Dogtown is an incredibly well-kept secret of St. Louis, and is the Irish part of town. I grew up and my family still resides in St. Louis County, but less than two miles from Dogtown and the St. Louis city limits. Dogtown's restaurants combined with the Central West End and The Hill and Soulard, and this is not even including St. Louis County, in my opinion make St. Louis every bit as competent a place for food as Chicago. In fact, I would go so far as to argue that Chicago and St. Louis and Kansas City are the food/restaurant capitals of the Midwest. In St. Louis in particular there seems to be no shortage of great restaurants and the sheer number growing up had my family almost getting into fights everytime we wanted to go somewhere because there were so many good restaurants and nobody ever wanted to go to the same one In any case, I'm surprised Springfield and Joplin have the crime issues they do. Springfield in particular seemed to be a very thriving and upbeat city...no depressed areas from what I saw, and it didn't have anything that even closely resembled the slum areas of parts of St. Louis, Cleveland, and Detroit.

[8 SNAKE]

Originally Posted by xTheGeneralx

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I see three possibilities here...

1. You've never lived in Springfield, but found a neat chart to back up your claims
2. You tried to live here and fell on your face
3. You're simply a troll

I don't really care which one it is. I'm just glad you don't live in this roach-infested ghetto that we call home.

[xTheGeneralx]

St Louis has the highest per capita MURDER RATE in the nation... BAR NONE! Sounds like a great place to live... NOT! We did have a great time in Branson for the past 8 days on a family reunion. Too bad the taxes were 10% and the prices in all the grocery stores were much higher than in Seattle. The "Left-Wing Socialist" attitude has seemed to make it all the way down to Southern Missouri... too bad. Are we not "splitting hairs" about whether Tulsa or Oklahoma City is in the Midwest? Must be the water! It was sad to see so many employees at Silver Dollar City and other attractions with bad attitudes; that was a first. I've scratched Missouri off the list of places to retire. I'm sure some folks will say "great... we don't need you down here anyway." Personally I just think it's sad that a great state has turned its back on the very people that had made it great in the first place or... maybe the people have turned their backs on themselves. It just came out that Missouri is in 46th place out of 50 on states with the "Happiest People." I can see why now. Hawii is 1st and Alaska is 2nd.

[xTheGeneralx]

Originally Posted by 8 SNAKE

I see three possibilities here...

1. You've never lived in Springfield, but found a neat chart to back up your claims
2. You tried to live here and fell on your face
3. You're simply a troll

I don't really care which one it is. I'm just glad you don't live in this roach-infested ghetto that we call home.

Well... at least you've got this one right! I've never lived in Springfield, although I've been in Springfield at least over 300 times, have many friends who live there and have played golf on most of the bad golf courses. I also stopped and purchased a Bass Pro hat, flew in and out of one of the worst airports (if you call it that) in the country, ate some really bad food at a so called "great restaurant," and filled up twice with gas this past week. Maybe I helped out your exceptionally bad economy by spending a few bucks there. I won't be back; it really is depressing... you know... your "roach-infested ghetto," but when you're right, you're right!

[xTheGeneralx]

Originally Posted by ajf131

Tulsa and OKC are indeed below the 36th parallel. I agree 100% with this post, Eric. We are both on the same page. Carondelet Park is a great area but it is booby trapped with sinkholes so watch your feet The same thing could be said for Dogtown (also an area full of sinkholes and UNBELIEVABLY steep hills). Dogtown is an incredibly well-kept secret of St. Louis, and is the Irish part of town. I grew up and my family still resides in St. Louis County, but less than two miles from Dogtown and the St. Louis city limits. Dogtown's restaurants combined with the Central West End and The Hill and Soulard, and this is not even including St. Louis County, in my opinion make St. Louis every bit as competent a place for food as Chicago. In fact, I would go so far as to argue that Chicago and St. Louis and Kansas City are the food/restaurant capitals of the Midwest. In St. Louis in particular there seems to be no shortage of great restaurants and the sheer number growing up had my family almost getting into fights everytime we wanted to go somewhere because there were so many good restaurants and nobody ever wanted to go to the same one In any case, I'm surprised Springfield and Joplin have the crime issues they do. Springfield in particular seemed to be a very thriving and upbeat city...no depressed areas from what I saw, and it didn't have anything that even closely resembled the slum areas of parts of St. Louis, Cleveland, and Detroit.

Are you for real? ..."36th Parallel" etc., Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha! Tulsa is not to great on crime either, but a 1,000 percent better than any place in Missouri. ... "36th Parallel," Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha. I'm laughing so hard I almost fell out of my chair on that one. At least Obama loves you!

[8 SNAKE]

Originally Posted by xTheGeneralx

I won't be back

Promise???