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Old 07-25-2008, 07:00 PM
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The peak in sales here in Washington County was March/2005. The peak in prices JuneJuly/2006. Both of these numbers have been in straight decline ever since.

As the National "bubble" crashed we were told by the local housesalesmen/women's associations and our Chamber of Commerce in Town that it was "different here".

They meant that the Home market here was insulated, that we weren't connected to the National trends. They were wrong.

No, it is not a good time to buy. Perhaps next Summer one will have an better idea of how bad our local "economy" is going to get because of the bust, maybe not. The same types that said it's different here WILL NOW tell you that the market is bottoming out, that you better jump in before the prices go up, the Boomers are coming here to save us or that the market is just returning to "normal".

IMHO: The bust hasn't even truly begun here yet.

Just one example of our local housing market:
Collina Tinta was going to bring in a lot of money to Hurricane (and the County) in impact fees and property taxes.

Collina Tinta

2200 "Tuscan styled" homes, 900 acres and a Nicklaus II designed golf course. Work stopped on it (after a couple of years of leveling hills and adding roads and lots) about three months ago. No more money and not one house. And a loss of who knows how many jobs that existed because of the project.

Do yourself a favor and drive around Dixie Springs, Sand Hollow Resort, the first phase of Elim Valley or the housing development behind or alongside where the WalMart is going up and see for yourself if the housing market (and home prices) here is strong.

Or go to Green Springs or Washington Fields or the top of Foremaster Ridge or Ivins.

This isn't about housing anymore (the number of individuals with good income in this Community is quickly declining):
The individuals that I personally know who work in Construction are finding it hard to make ends meet. Thirty percent (30%) of working age males in this County (per Workforce Services) worked in Construction. Other than local Government or the Hospital one can't get a job that pays more than about $10.00 an hour.

It's getting harder to get a loan:
Washington County is now designated a high-risk area (by Lending institutions) in regards to home loans. That means no more stated income loans, no more "investment" properties and a minimum 5-10 percent down payment. The word is that about one out of ten loans made here is actually going through to finish. I personally know someone who lost two different buyers for their house because their purchasers couldn't get the loan(s) approved.

More inventory:
In your drive around the County you will notice tons of houses with dead or dying landscape mixed with yellow lawns. Many are listed with NV, CA or Arizona phone "contact" numbers. Many more of these houses are not listed or are no longer listed for sale at all. I believe that this is an indication of just how many homes around here are in the pre-foreclosure process.

Nationally, these are called phantom inventory. Homes that are stuck in the system (because there are just too many to process quickly) that will someday show up on the market to compete with the many that are now listed for sale.



A return to normal:
Normal here (before the housing bubble came in 2004) was the worst recession in the State post WW II. Normal was having your home sit on the market for years and selling your home for less than the original purchase price (and being grateful that it sold at all).

Normal was a nice, NEW 1800 Sq Ft house selling for about $150,000.00. Normal was a Parade of Homes 10,000 Sq Ft property on five acres situated near my house priced at 1.2 million in 2003.


One other thing. I personally wouldn't bother looking at anything built during our "bubble". Many were quickly thrown up and poorly built by less than qualified illegal labor and overseen by builders who were busy "juggling" projects. I walked thru a lot of them before completion and was amazed at the poor quality of construction that I observed. Poor quality that is now hidden behind drywall, home entertainment centers and fake rock.
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We just got our home pending sale under contract a couple days ago..couple buying it for their 2nd home, from up north..we see a lot of that in our area. Agreed, the market will fluctuate some for awhile, then come back up some. The market will probably never return to what it was a couple years ago, that was abnormal. But if you want a home to LIVE in, then buy a home. If you want a home to flip and sell, wait.
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Thank you Steadykat for your informative post....a lot to think about and consider. That's why I like hearing from people in the area that actually live there because they know what is really going on there. I agree alot of homes built during the "bubble" were thrown up fast. At that time I worked for a city in the building department in northern Utah and I saw how many building permits went through there and how some of the contractors couldnt keep up with the demand. Some of them tried to cut corners and it kept our building inspectors busy trying to catch everything. I was amazed at what contractors were getting for the price of building lots there. A small building lot was 40,000 and a couple months later they were selling them for 100,000. (wished I would of bought one to turn around and sell) I am sure the same thing was happening everywhere. So what you are saying is homes built after 2004 might of be built too fast and not as well? I guess it's a gamble to know when the perfect time to buy is. We will be retireing so won't be interested in the job market. We are just trying to get something now, so we won't have to buy in three years. Maybe we will wait till next year to buy. I will check it out thoroughly before we do anything, so I am glad you gave some insight to the area.

Dogmom, glad you sold your home. I bet that is a relief. We are buying a home to live in when we get there in 3 years and are not looking to flip a house, so that's why we have been seriously looking. My son goes to St George all the time and has seen new developments drop their new home prices about 40,000 so that's why it seemed a good time to us.

I agree I doubt we will ever see in homes what we did a couple years ago. I bought my home in northern Utah in early 2005, could of sold it for any price I named in the spring of 2006 (because my son sold his in a day) but needed to sell it in the spring of 2007 for my move to Oklahoma and got top dollar for it. Shortly after that it seemed nothing was selling.

Good luck in your move!
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Old 07-26-2008, 02:06 PM
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Hey Dogmom! Look at you! Congrats on the contract! I had to search your posts to find out if anything had happened while I was out of town! Sounds like the things you did finally did the trick! I'm really happy for you!

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We just got our home pending sale under contract a couple days ago..couple buying it for their 2nd home, from up north..we see a lot of that in our area. Agreed, the market will fluctuate some for awhile, then come back up some. The market will probably never return to what it was a couple years ago, that was abnormal. But if you want a home to LIVE in, then buy a home. If you want a home to flip and sell, wait.
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Hey Dogmom! Look at you! Congrats on the contract! I had to search your posts to find out if anything had happened while I was out of town! Sounds like the things you did finally did the trick! I'm really happy for you!

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Hi Sarah! Thanks! Dropping the price did it I guess...after our fiasco last weekend I was pretty despondent over it selling..then along came a buyer on Tuesday, contract in hand by Wednesday..we took a beating, but need to leave so thats how it is. If we had had that money in the stock market it probably would have lost the value, too. Forget it and move on.

I will d.m. you later, just got back from my parents in Palm Springs, 7 hour drive with my doxie, very tired and beat...thanks again!
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Old 08-01-2008, 03:43 PM
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I grew up in St. George. I have been in Vegas for the last 15 years. Another 1.5 years here and we will move back for good. It is a nice place and is growing and there is plenty to do. I don't love Hurricane. It is very small, not much to do and very "old boys club". People are nice and housing is less expensive, but St. George offers more all around. Nice restaurants, live theater, movie theaters, parks, diversity, etc.... All schools are comparable and there are now some private schools as well. Good luck with your move.
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Old 08-01-2008, 03:45 PM
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I heard from our real estate agent that the wind blows alot in Hurricane. We found a cute house in Ivins, do you know much about that area
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Old 08-02-2008, 01:08 PM
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Ivins can be very nice. The older part of ivins is just okay. It was a lower end area of town in the beginning (25+ years ago). The newer parts of ivins are very nice and some very upper end. Kayenta is part of Ivins and is a very natural setting with many artist types. I like it, but some people hate it. Of course Ivins is close to Tuachan which is a bonus to me! Broadway outside what more could you ask for?
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Never heard of Kayenta or Tuachan...those are cities??
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Old 08-03-2008, 04:15 PM
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Kayenta is an artists community just outside of Ivins. Ok, maybe artists community isn't the correct term, but a lot of artists do live out there. Tuacahn is an outdoor ampitheater where they do a lot of plays and are starting to get a lot of concerts as well. They also have a high school that the curriculum is based on the performing arts.

Kayenta Desert Community, Utah

Tuacahn Live Musical Theatre Presents Broadway in the Desert amidst the towering redrock cliffs of St. George Utah
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