Newly married, Non Mormon moving to St. George (renters, waterparks)

[markg91359]

Grain of salt???? Everything I have said is true. Do you know anything about the mormon religion? The God Makers I and II are right on. They do baptisms for the dead, they marry by proxy for the dead, they believe in seven levels of heaven and the more kids you have the higher in heaven you go. They also believe that in order for a woman to make it to heaven, she has to be married to a man in the temple. If everything is on the up and up, then why do they shrowd in secrecy every thing they do. They don't believe in equality for all people...only if you are white and mormon. They believe black people are spawns of satan. I mean the list goes on. Instead of taking a grain of salt, why don't you open your eyes to what is really going on around you. MOVING TO SOUTHERN UTAH IS A HUGE MISTAKE!! I would also venture to guess that Lmejh is probably a transplant to St. George and attends Dixie College. I wish her the best of luck and hope they don't ruin her as they did me.
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I won't comment on your advice about moving to Southern Utah because I have mixed feelings.

I will say this: The Godmakers I and II are ridiculous. Its the kind of stuff you'd read in a tabloid journal. They take every vicious rumor, inuendo, and gossip about the church and maintain its absolute truth. There's even an assertion that Gordon B. Hinckley was conducting an affair.

This poster may have some points to make, but because of the way he chooses to make them its pretty obvious you are only going to get one side from him.

[katjazzlover]

I'm glad you all feel better. I still stand by what I know. It truly doesn't matter. I have better and bigger things to worry about than you people. Besides, I do have the right of free speech and I was just addressing the person who was thinking about moving to St. George, Utah and advising against it. As for the ramblings of the other posters, I could tell you the sky was blue and you would argue about what color blue it is. Dont' worry. It's all good. Have a wonderful life!!

[stycotl]

Originally Posted by katjazzlover

I'm glad you all feel better. I still stand by what I know. It truly doesn't matter. I have better and bigger things to worry about than you people. Besides, I do have the right of free speech and I was just addressing the person who was thinking about moving to St. George, Utah and advising against it. As for the ramblings of the other posters, I could tell you the sky was blue and you would argue about what color blue it is. Dont' worry. It's all good. Have a wonderful life!!

why are you so hostile here? you made unsubstantiated claims (based off of a movie for crying out loud!), and now it sounds like you are trying to make yourself feel bigger with a condescending attitude because most people didn't agree with you.

the fact that you have not (and probably still won't) respond to the valid points brought up against your earlier falsehoods tells us that you are not here for any real discussion, but just want to rant and stamp your feet, and anyone that disagrees with you is obviously deluded (blue sky and all).

funny thing about your claim that we are the deluded ones is that your earlier argument was soundly spanked by a couple of different people on this thread, and you continue to cling to it. do you know why you cling to it? i do. because it supports your bitterness, and without it, you would be without excuse. there isn't really any other reason to continue believing untrue and hurtful things about people that have already been debunked.

good luck with that kind of social strategy. if this is how you deal with people in real life, i would urge you to look for the cause and effect of your misery.

maybe if you let go of your bitterness, you'd recognize that there are some pretty awesome people in this state (just like there are in any other state), and that some of them–both mormons and nonmormons–might be living right next door to you.

aaron out.

[katjazzlover]

You, Aaron, are obviously not one of them. Let it die already.... My life is none of your business. I was meerly giving my opinion, which believe it or not I am entitled to. I grew up there. Had miserables experiences. End of story. Deal.

[dogmom]

We lived there for 3 years, most of it miserable and lonely..the last year we were there we incredibly met two couples who have turned out to be great friends, met them here actually and they came from where we grew up..Other than that, can count on one hand the number of natives who actually liked us for who we were and not someone they could convert. Once someone found out they could not convert us, they turned tail and went the other way from us. We had neighbors who would not wave or chat with us. No we are not MORONS, just a retired couple who tried to make friends.

We are gone now, except for our good friends that we now have from there, we lost 3 years of our life.

I'm not going to respond again, but everyone has a different experience, and we found the Utah mormons were totally different than the California mormons we have known for many years, most anyway..

[katjazzlover]

Thank you dog mom. My point exactly. I'm sorry you too had bad experiences. I wasted 12 years of my life there..not much I could do as I was just a child. Thanks for posting.

[stycotl]

Originally Posted by katjazzlover

You, Aaron, are obviously not one of them.

ouch. so unnecessarily harsh. i don't think that you will find any insults if you look back at my post history. sarcasm yes. insults no.

Let it die already.... My life is none of your business. I was meerly giving my opinion, which believe it or not I am entitled to.

you actually made your life our business when you gave your opinion about it–you know, which you are entitled to do...

I grew up there. Had miserables experiences. End of story. Deal.

that is not the end of the story unfortunately. i've had bad experiences with catholics; does that mean that i would be 'entitled' to make up lies about what catholics believe? would i be entitled to generalize that all catholics are jerks because of the personal experiences that i have had?

unfortunately, this is where you are trying to end the story, with lies, insults, and generalizations.

no one has defended the actions of these supposedly rude mormons that you encountered. no one has claimed that utah is a mecca of delightful social interaction. no one is trying to paint it for what it isn't.... except for you. maybe if you can keep from using agenda-ridden *movies* as your intellectual sources, you'd do better in these conversations.

as for your personal life, i fully believe that you've had bad experiences in utah with mormons. i'm a utah mormon and i have had bad experiences with utah mormons. so yeah, i can completely respect what you are saying you went through. but when you try to turn it around and make it look as if we believe things that we don't, and that all mormons follow the same patterns of stupidity that the ones you knew apparently invented, then i won't agree with you.

i'm also confident that the majority of mormons and nonmormons on this site can understand what i'm talking about, and that they won't agree with you either.

but as i said earlier, if you want to holster your guns and come at this from a rational angle, you'll get a bit more empathy from everyone involved. just in case anyone is wondering, rational angles would not include insults, lies, sweeping generalizations, refusals to address points, emotional outbursts, etc. hell, if my sarcasm is getting in the way of a meaningful conversation with you, tell me and i'd be happy to use a more neutral tone.

aaron out.

[markg91359]

We lived there for 3 years, most of it miserable and lonely..the last year we were there we incredibly met two couples who have turned out to be great friends, met them here actually and they came from where we grew up..Other than that, can count on one hand the number of natives who actually liked us for who we were and not someone they could convert. Once someone found out they could not convert us, they turned tail and went the other way from us. We had neighbors who would not wave or chat with us. No we are not MORONS, just a retired couple who tried to make friends.

We are gone now, except for our good friends that we now have from there, we lost 3 years of our life.

I'm not going to respond again, but everyone has a different experience, and we found the Utah mormons were totally different than the California mormons we have known for many years, most anyway.

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I think it probably is more difficult to make friends in Utah than in many other places in this country. And, I think that some people who post here in the Utah forums don't really acknowledge some of these issues. Religion plays a role in all of this, but its generally a much more complicated and subtle role than non-LDS people perceive.

Being LDS is a lifestyle as much as it is a religion. You start with large families. The larger one's family is the more time one must spend out of sheer necessity to attend to basic needs. And, when I speak of "family" I'm really not talking "nuclear family". I'm talking "extended family". Than there are the demands imposed by church activities and callings. In many denominational Christian religions, people go to church for two hours on Sunday and that's really about the extent of their committment. In the LDS Church, Sunday meetings are a 3 hour block of meetings. Than there are all kinds of extra meetings depending upon one's calling. And, there are midweek activities for teenagers that require adult supervision. To say that the church keeps us "busy" is an understatement.

I'll repeat something I've said in other posts: LDS people do not shun their neighbors or purposefully avoid friendship with non-members. Its simply that the lives of many church members are too full of work, family activities, and church activities to allow for much else. I think many of us would like to be more friendly with non-members. Nevertheless, we have to accept some of the blame. Our church is very focused on conversion and too many members choose to ignore those who fail to respond. This shouldn't happen, but it does and it is wrong.

Non members share some blame too though. It takes two for there to be conflict, or difficulty. Non-members often play a major role in that conflict. From the time I was a child, I've observed behavior from non-LDS people here that was very disturbing. It generally ranges from badmouthing everything about Utah (the politics, the liquor laws, bad drivers, road construction, the school system) to blaming the LDS Church for everything they feel is wrong in Utah. We Mormons (or at least most of us) are not totally intolerant of criticism. We simply believe that its unfair to take problems which occur at some level everywhere around the country and claim they are at their very worst here (when they clearly are not). Also, we wonder quite logically how a church can be responsible for things like bad roads and bad drivers. Another reality is that many non-Mormons choose to keep to themselves and behave like living here is the equivalent of being exiled to Siberia. They wait for a job transfer to another locality and make no serious attempts to make new friends. Than they badmouth the natives and claim that we are the one who are unfriendly.

I am sorry about the religious friction that is real here. I wish both sides would be a llittle more understanding.

[stycotl]

I'll repeat something I've said in other posts: LDS people do not shun their neighbors or purposefully avoid friendship with non-members.

to be fair, there are actually some mormons that purposefully shun their neighbors. they are few and far between, but they are there. my sister in law teaches 2nd graders or something like that, and she deals with a few parents that won't allow their kids to associate with nonmormons. people like that have obviously not been listening in sunday school.

however, even though there are stupid mormons out there, which i am pretty confident that no one here is denying, that doesn't validate lying about what mormonism as a whole acts like or believes--whether one is making up the lies themselves, or simply repeating the lies that they want to believe in even after having been corrected.

[Chickrae]

When I get moved to St. George, I will try to straighten all this out. I want happy neighbors lol