Cities that are most like St. Louis (Manchester, Washington: home, movie theater)

[aragx6]

^And of course the St. Louis Art Museum is working right now on a huge (more than 200,000 sq/ft) expansion

[tbell]

Originally Posted by airwave09

So where are the facts to back up these laughably biased opinions of yours???

Surely you don't mean to confess that you are unaware of these widely shared opinions? Or that you are unable to investigate them yourself?

And what example of bias do you find? If I were to say that St Louis is culturally richer than New York, say, then you might be on to something.

But St Louis is bigger, older and richer than Pittsburgh, more diverse demographically and economically, more of a transportation hub both past and present.

To these facts I merely added the opinion that St Louis is also culturally richer than Pittsburgh - which is almost inevitable, given the preceding advantages.

To which I then added a list of specific comparisons of cultural institutions, should anyone wish to investigate the comparison further.

BTW, you failed to notice that I biased those comparisons against St Louis, in favor of Pittsburgh – because I didn't try to come up with a monument in Pittsburgh to compare with the Gateway Arch (possibly the world's greatest monument).

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by tbell

Surely you don't mean to confess that you are unaware of these widely shared opinions? Or that you are unable to investigate them yourself?

And what example of bias do you find? If I were to say that St Louis is culturally richer than New York, say, then you might be on to something.

But St Louis is bigger, older and richer than Pittsburgh, more diverse demographically and economically, more of a transportation hub both past and present.

To these facts I merely added the opinion that St Louis is also culturally richer than Pittsburgh - which is almost inevitable, given the preceding advantages.

To which I then added a list of specific comparisons of cultural institutions, should anyone wish to investigate the comparison further.

But who wants to bother with investigation when an erroneous opinion is soooooo much better?

[tbell]

Originally Posted by moorlander

This particular article lists them by achievement. SLSO #2 and Pittsburg #9. Article notes there is little difference between the top 10. So I say it's a wash. See discriptions below.

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Read more: Music: Which U.S. Orchestras Are Best? - TIME

I'd say #2 is better than #9 (albeit in 1983, when the Time article was published).

The Pittsburgh SO was very good mid-century, under the great Fritz Reiner and the underrated William Steinberg. But it collapsed under Previn and Maazel, big names but uninspired musicians, better at PR than performance.

Whereas the St Louis SO, always solid (especially under Walter Susskind), rose to greatness under Leonard Slatkin, stumbled a bit, and now is reaching perhaps even greater heights under David Robertson. Here's a 2005 profile of him and the SLSO in the New Yorker:

The Evangelist : The New Yorker

[tbell]

Originally Posted by moorlander

Art Museums seem comparable too.

[SIZE=2]Saint Louis Art Museum
One of the major art centres in America, the museum's permanent collection consists of 30,000 objects encompassing art from Prehistory, Antiquity, Africa, Asia, Islamic civilizations, Oceania, Pre-Columbian and American Indian cultures, as well as American and European fine arts, plus outstanding examples of modern and contemporary period/movements. Highlights include one of the finest collections of Turkish rugs, Oceanic and Pre-Columbian art; masterpieces by Matisse, Gauguin, Monet, Picasso, and Van Gogh; an extensive range of works by Max Beckmann; and the largest collection of paintings by George Caleb Bingham.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Carnegie Museum of Art, Pittsburgh
Founded in 1895 by the Pittsburgh-based industrialist and philanthropist Andrew Carnegie, the museum has a permanent collection of roughly 35,000 works, featuring European and American paintings, drawings, prints (notably Japanese prints), sculpture, decorative art, architecture, photography (notably the archive of African-American photographer Charles "Teenie" Harris) and installations. The museum's Hall of Architecture features the greatest assembly of plaster casts of architectural masterpieces in the United States, and the third largest in the world. The Carnegie Museum of Art is also known for its fine collection of contemporary art, including works of video and cinematography, and its hosting of the Carnegie International Exhibition.[/SIZE]

St Louis Art Museum probably carries more works by major American and world artists than the Carnegie Museum of Art. Each of them provides a catalog of their collections in their respective web sites, so querying them is a simple task:


paintings by Titian – SLAM 1, CMA 0

paintings by Monet - SLAM 4, CMA 4

paintings by Van Gogh – SLAM 6, CMA 3

paintings by Picasso – SLAM 8, CMA 4

paintings by Matisse - SLAM 2, CMA 0

paintings by John Singer Sargent – SLAM 2, CMA 1

paintings by Georgia O'Keeffe - SLAM 3, CMA 1

paintings by Jackson Pollock - SLAM 1, CMA 0

paintings by Jasper Johns - SLAM 5, CMA 0


Even though CMA touts its collection of 20th-century art, SLAM beats it regarding the biggest names in that era: Picasso, Matisse, O'Keeffe, Pollock, Johns.

To put it more plainly: someone visiting the CMA would not be able to view a single work by Titian, Matisse or Pollock – but he or she could see them in St Louis.

[kshe95girl]

^ Dont forget, the SLAM has one of Monets Water lily panels......

[wpipkins]

Originally Posted by tbell

Surely you don't mean to confess that you are unaware of these widely shared opinions? Or that you are unable to investigate them yourself?

And what example of bias do you find? If I were to say that St Louis is culturally richer than New York, say, then you might be on to something.

But St Louis is bigger, older and richer than Pittsburgh, more diverse demographically and economically, more of a transportation hub both past and present.

To these facts I merely added the opinion that St Louis is also culturally richer than Pittsburgh - which is almost inevitable, given the preceding advantages.

To which I then added a list of specific comparisons of cultural institutions, should anyone wish to investigate the comparison further.

BTW, you failed to notice that I biased those comparisons against St Louis, in favor of Pittsburgh – because I didn't try to come up with a monument in Pittsburgh to compare with the Gateway Arch (possibly the world's greatest monument).

Pittsburgh's iconic bridges are far more interesting than the St. Louis Arch...... Pittsburghs Mount Washington offers one of the best veiws of an urban city in all of the world. Don't forget that pittsburgh built St Louis. All materials floated down the Ohio to the Mississippi. Pittsburgh was the original gateway to the west, followed by Cincy, and then St. Louis. No city of comparable size has more culture than Pittsburgh include=ing St . Louis.

[masterwood89]

Originally Posted by wpipkins

Don't forget that pittsburgh built St Louis. All materials floated down the Ohio to the Mississippi.

(Sarcastic Typing) And here I thought bricks,beer and hard working people built St. Louis thanks for clearing that up for me.

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by wpipkins

Don't forget that pittsburgh built St Louis. All materials floated down the Ohio to the Mississippi.

Um......yeah, right.
Considering the cities were founded less than 10 years apart, and the French built with wood, which was plentiful.....I dont think so.
STL was fed by Kaskaskia and Sainte Genevieve, not Pittsburgh.
STL had its first brickyard by 1813, first brick building in Upper Louisiana west of the Mississippi was built in Sainte Genevieve in 1803 from local bricks.
So.........wheres that link that provides proof that Pittsburgh built STL?

[DinsdalePirahna]

There may be some truth to that since many riverboats and packets used bricks as ballast. Overall it seems it would be more efficient to use local building materials.

On the other hand, many of the streets of the northeast where built by using ballast from ships arriving from europe (and you should see the fireplace my grandfather and uncle built using these bricks)