Cities that are most like St. Louis (Cleveland, Rea: crime, live in)

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by DinsdalePirahna

There may be some truth to that since many riverboats and packets used bricks as ballast. Overall it seems it would be more efficient to use local building materials.

On the other hand, many of the streets of the northeast where built by using ballast from ships arriving from europe (and you should see the fireplace my grandfather and uncle built using these bricks)

The really early riverboats had a VERY shallow draft, they didnt use ballast like the ships did.....the boats were usually broken up and sold, rather than try to pole back upstream.
This was before the age of the paddlewheeler, but they also had VERY shallow draft.
They were basically rafts.
I bet that fireplace is something!
They used keelboats.
http://www.lewisandclarktrail.com/keelboat.htm
The poorer used flatboats.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ke...d_flatboat.jpg

[tbell]

Originally Posted by wpipkins

Pittsburgh's iconic bridges are far more interesting than the St. Louis Arch......

Could you be more specific? Which bridge in Pittsburgh, according to you, surpasses the elegant simplicity and majestic symbolism of the Arch?

Originally Posted by wpipkins

Don't forget that pittsburgh built St Louis. All materials floated down the Ohio to the Mississippi.

Iowa feeds St Louis – does that make it superior?

Regardless, you've clearly never been to St Louis, which is made of brick – glorious red Missouri brick, made right here in the city – as was much of the red brick you've ever seen in America.

Originally Posted by wpipkins

No city of comparable size has more culture than Pittsburgh include=ing St . Louis.

Pittsburgh is not of comparable size - it's 19 percent smaller.

And, just as with the earlier Pittsburgh boosters, we're still waiting for a single specific example of a cultural institution in Pittsburgh that is superior or even equal to the comparable institution in St Louis.

C'mon, there must be something you can think of.

[wpipkins]

Originally Posted by tbell

Could you be more specific? Which bridge in Pittsburgh, according to you, surpasses the elegant simplicity and majestic symbolism of the Arch?




Iowa feeds St Louis – does that make it superior?

Regardless, you've clearly never been to St Louis, which is made of brick – glorious red Missouri brick, made right here in the city – as was much of the red brick you've ever seen in America.




Pittsburgh is not of comparable size - it's 19 percent smaller.

And, just as with the earlier Pittsburgh boosters, we're still waiting for a single specific example of a cultural institution in Pittsburgh that is superior or even equal to the comparable institution in St Louis.

C'mon, there must be something you can think of.

By american standards, Pittsburgh and St Louis are identical in size. Similar to Atlanta and Dallas....... Seattle and Boston.......Philadelphia and Houston....

The Mckees Rocks, West End, Fort Pitt, Fort Duquesne, Smithfield Street, 6th, 7th, 9th,(three sisters) 10th, and 16th street bridges are visible from downtowns Mt Washington. The Funiculars or inclines will lead you to the top of MT Washington and once there, you are face to face with Downtown Pittsburgh Skyscrapers. This is one of America's if not the worlds best views of an urban area.

The David L Lawrence Convention Center (the largest green building on earth when completed is quite pleasing to the eye and was created using bridge technology.


The Canegie Museum of Natural History boast one of the largest collections of Dinosaur bones. (Carnegie sponsored his archeological digs)

The Carnegie Museum of Art was one if not the first modern art musuem when completed in the late 19th century.

The Andy Warhol Museum (Part of Carnegie) in the largest musuem dedicated to one person. (Andy is a Pittsburgh native)

Carnegie also established the first free library in the world.

The Pittsburgh Cultural trust created Pittsburghs theater district over a 30 year period with help form the Heinz family (Ketchup) It is one of the most preserved victorain districts in the US and houses the Benedum Center for the Performing Arts, Heinz Hall, The O'Reilly, Byum and Regent(which is the preserved home of americas first movie theater, the Nickelodeon.

Pittsburgh urban core appears to be healthier than St. Louis. We have solid inner city neighborhoods and all have shopping and entertainment districts within them.

Downtown Pittsburgh is definately healthier than St Louis. More people work in downtown than at any point in our history. We did not lose our urban core and foot traffic in the downtown and Oakland districts.

[aragx6]

Originally Posted by wpipkins

Pittsburgh urban core appears to be healthier than St. Louis. We have solid inner city neighborhoods and all have shopping and entertainment districts within them.

This is where your lack of knowledge about St. Louis betrays you. St. Louis has some of the best urban neighborhoods in any rust belt city. Downtown has often, in the past, been a sore spot (though that's absolutely changing in the last 10 years and should continue to do so quite well), but St. Louis' unique, individual neighborhoods are what has always put it far and beyond away from our other midwestern and southern neighbors.

[wpipkins]

Originally Posted by aragx6

This is where your lack of knowledge about St. Louis betrays you. St. Louis has some of the best urban neighborhoods in any rust belt city. Downtown has often, in the past, been a sore spot (though that's absolutely changing in the last 10 years and should continue to do so quite well), but St. Louis' unique, individual neighborhoods are what has always put it far and beyond away from our other midwestern and southern neighbors.

Pittsburgh also, Shady Side, Oakland, Squirrel Hill, Highland Park, Southside Flats/Slopes and quite a few of the other 81 neighborhoods. I am not saying that Saint Louis does not have urban neighborhoods. Pittsburgh has some as well.

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by wpipkins

Don't forget that pittsburgh built St Louis. All materials floated down the Ohio to the Mississippi. Pittsburgh was the original gateway to the west, followed by Cincy, and then St. Louis.

Originally Posted by kshe95girl

Um......yeah, right.
Considering the cities were founded less than 10 years apart, and the French built with wood, which was plentiful.....I dont think so.
STL was fed by Kaskaskia and Sainte Genevieve, not Pittsburgh.
STL had its first brickyard by 1813, first brick building in Upper Louisiana west of the Mississippi was built in Sainte Genevieve in 1803 from local bricks.
So.........wheres that link that provides proof that Pittsburgh built STL?

I see you either didnt read, or cant bother to answer my query in the above post.
Perhaps you know you spoke erroneously?

[BoomBoxing]

Originally Posted by aragx6

This is where your lack of knowledge about St. Louis betrays you. St. Louis has some of the best urban neighborhoods in any rust belt city. Downtown has often, in the past, been a sore spot (though that's absolutely changing in the last 10 years and should continue to do so quite well), but St. Louis' unique, individual neighborhoods are what has always put it far and beyond away from our other midwestern and southern neighbors.

I wish more people knew this

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by wpipkins

By american standards, Pittsburgh and St Louis are identical in size. Similar to Atlanta and Dallas....... Seattle and Boston.......Philadelphia and Houston....


What do you mean by "American" standards?
STL is 19% bigger.

The Mckees Rocks, West End, Fort Pitt, Fort Duquesne, Smithfield Street, 6th, 7th, 9th,(three sisters) 10th, and 16th street bridges are visible from downtowns Mt Washington. The Funiculars or inclines will lead you to the top of MT Washington and once there, you are face to face with Downtown Pittsburgh Skyscrapers. This is one of America's if not the worlds best views of an urban area.


You havent traveled much, have you?
Not many people that are not natives of Pittsburgh would recognize the skyline.
Everyone that has a pulse recognizes the Arch.


The David L Lawrence Convention Center (the largest green building on earth when completed is quite pleasing to the eye and was created using bridge technology.


The Canegie Museum of Natural History boast one of the largest collections of Dinosaur bones. (Carnegie sponsored his archeological digs)

The Carnegie Museum of Art was one if not the first modern art musuem when completed in the late 19th century.

First of all, the Met in NYC was founded in 1870, the Carnegie, not til 1896.
The 2 can hardly compare.


The Andy Warhol Museum (Part of Carnegie) in the largest musuem dedicated to one person. (Andy is a Pittsburgh native)

I would daresay that the Picasso museum in Barcelona, or the Dali museum in St. Pete are just as large. There are many world-class museums devoted to 1 artist that are larger than the Warhol.

Carnegie also established the first free library in the world.

The oldest free library in the world is the Chetham, in Manchester, UK, opened in 1653. Carnegie probably got his idea from there.

The Pittsburgh Cultural trust created Pittsburghs theater district over a 30 year period with help form the Heinz family (Ketchup) It is one of the most preserved victorain districts in the US and houses the Benedum Center for the Performing Arts, Heinz Hall, The O'Reilly, Byum and Regent(which is the preserved home of americas first movie theater, the Nickelodeon.


The largest Victorian neighborhood in the US is Bostons South End, followed by Old Louisville.


Pittsburgh urban core appears to be healthier than St. Louis. We have solid inner city neighborhoods and all have shopping and entertainment districts within them.


The one bolded word in your statement says it all.
You have obviously never been to STL, because you would know about the CWE, Soulard, Lafayette Square, etc, etc.


Downtown Pittsburgh is definately healthier than St Louis. More people work in downtown than at any point in our history. We did not lose our urban core and foot traffic in the downtown and Oakland districts.

Have you been in downtown STL in the last decade?
Nooooooooo........
Now that I have refuted most of your statements, please give it a rest, mkay?

[DinsdalePirahna]

Originally Posted by kshe95girl

Have you been in downtown STL in the last decade?
Nooooooooo........
Now that I have refuted most of your statements, please give it a rest, mkay?

Downtown Pittsburgh is much more vibrant than Saint Louis. I've lived in both areas and have been to both cities within in the last 4 months.
As far as urban residential neighborhoods go, I would call it a tie.

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by DinsdalePirahna

Downtown Pittsburgh is much more vibrant than Saint Louis. I've lived in both areas and have been to both cities within in the last 4 months.
As far as urban residential neighborhoods go, I would call it a tie.

Not trying to sound argumentative, but we all know your opinion of STL, so I have a really hard time taking an opinion of yours seriously.
If only you could be completely objective about the subject......