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Old 12-30-2010, 01:39 PM
 
Location: St. Louie
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Hi guys

I'm looking at properties to rehab in the Soulard neighborhood. Is this area known for high crime? I was talking to some people and they said pretty much everything east of Jefferson and south of I-44 is going to be a problem. Is this true?

Would just securing my property and keeping the back well lit help against crime?

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Old 12-30-2010, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Volker, Kansas City, MO
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Hi guys

I'm looking at properties to rehab in the Soulard neighborhood. Is this area known for high crime? I was talking to some people and they said pretty much everything west of Jefferson is south of I-44 is going to be a problem. Is this true?

Would just securing my property and keeping the back well lit help against crime?
That whole jefferson line is super antiqauted. I've never heard anyone under 50 say it actually. Soulard has some property crime (garage and car break ins mostly) as you'll see with most city neighborhoods, but Soulard is absolutely not high crime.

And if you think you can get a property at a good price and rehab it, I'm sure there's money to be made. it's a really desirable area and the inventory has remained pretty stable over the last several years from all I have seen.
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Old 12-30-2010, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Clayton, MO
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Hi guys

I'm looking at properties to rehab in the Soulard neighborhood. Is this area known for high crime? I was talking to some people and they said pretty much everything west of Jefferson is south of I-44 is going to be a problem. Is this true?

Would just securing my property and keeping the back well lit help against crime?

This makes no sense to me. The area's you're describing sound more like McKinley Heights, Benton Park, and Fox Park.
You need to brush up on your city neighborhoods map. (who doesn't)

ALL of Soulard is South of 44 and east of 55.

Boundaries: Soulard’s triangular boundaries are defined by 7th Street and Broadway to the Southeast and I-55 to the West and North. St. Louis Neighborhoods: Map
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Old 12-30-2010, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Saint Louis City
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Soulard is a great neighborhood. I would live there in a second.

I live in the area you described (Fox Park, Tower Grove East, Benton Park West) for four years now with no problems. I get so SICK of people saying that anything west of Jefferson is bad, its a very dated outlook. Fox Park is WAY better than it used to be, it's turned into an awesome little neighborhood. When the recession hit some development stalled, but several properties were still rehabbed. Every year I see more and more people moving in. Check this out: St. Louis City Talk: The Fox Park Neighborhood.

Tower Grove East has gorgeous housing and I would consider it the best of the three because of it's proximity to Tower Grove Park.

Benton Park West is the most unstable of the three, but it's been on its way up for years. With Cherokee becoming the new hipster place to be, it will only keep getting better.
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Old 12-30-2010, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Volker, Kansas City, MO
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Wow -- my east/west reading ability is sketch today apparently.

Benton Park I like. McKinley is quiet. Fox Park has a ways to go, but doesnt seem to me overly dangerous. West Benton Park still has a good ways to go, though clearly progress has been made.
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Old 12-30-2010, 02:46 PM
 
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Did you mean to say east of Jefferson? Saying everything west of Jefferson and South of 44 is bad doesn't make any sense.

If you are looking into rehabing, I almost can't believe there is much of a rehab market left in Soulard. Last time I looked there were 1 bedroom CONDOS selling for 150k+. In other words, if you can grab a property at a bargain and do a good job rehabbing it, you should have an easy time selling/renting for a nice profit. Be careful though of people trying to sell properties as "Soulard" when they are in fact in a nearby neighborhood. Fortunately as Moorlander pointed out, Soulard is very easy to define.

As for crime, I am quite certain that the vast majority of crime in Soulard involves dumb drunks urinating on flower beds and causing fights. Very little to no violent crime really happens there. I do think an errant robbery will happen every once in a while late at night, but nothing to be alarmed about. I would probably recommend motion sensor flood lights, and a house alarm wouldn't be a bad idea. But really I wouldn't be too concerned about crime in Soulard.
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Old 12-30-2010, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Saint Louis City
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Wow -- my east/west reading ability is sketch today apparently.

Benton Park I like. McKinley is quiet. Fox Park has a ways to go, but doesnt seem to me overly dangerous. West Benton Park still has a good ways to go, though clearly progress has been made.
There are no parts of Fox Park I would consider dangerous, three years ago, maybe, but not today.
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Old 12-30-2010, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Clayton, MO
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If you're looking in "Soulard," don't overlook LaSalle Park. My cousin rents a historic rehab there and most people refer to it as Soulard. The streets don't have the continueity of other StL neighborhoods but it's a pretty nice spot.
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Old 12-30-2010, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Saint Louis City
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^Good call, they have some gorgeous houses over there. I agree Boom, I can't imagine Soulard having much to rehab.
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Old 12-30-2010, 03:03 PM
 
Location: St. Louie
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This makes no sense to me. The area's you're describing sound more like McKinley Heights, Benton Park, and Fox Park.
You need to brush up on your city neighborhoods map. (who doesn't)

ALL of Soulard is South of 44 and east of 55.

Boundaries: Soulardís triangular boundaries are defined by 7th Street and Broadway to the Southeast and I-55 to the West and North. St. Louis Neighborhoods: Map
My bad I meant to say east of Jefferson. I actually know the city quite well just spent little time in Soulard.
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