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Old 02-25-2011, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Volker, Kansas City, MO
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I feel like most news stories about the quote/unquote death of the exurbs are speaking of the future not the present. I'm not sure anyone was surprised to see huge gains in places like St. Charles county.
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Old 02-25-2011, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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I feel like most news stories about the quote/unquote death of the exurbs are speaking of the future not the present. I'm not sure anyone was surprised to see huge gains in places like St. Charles county.
I'm not so sure, but in any event, there is little evidence in these latest numbers that the trend is ending, much less reversing itself.

Some weird numbers.

People have been glowing about Mapelwood, and it lost 13% of its population the last decade.

Webster lost population (only 1%) while Kirkwood gained about 1%.

Shrewesbury lost 6%.
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Volker, Kansas City, MO
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^Again it's important to note that gentrification causes small population losses and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if that's part of what you see in Maplewood and the like.
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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O'Fallon added 33,160 people for a 72% increase

Wentzville added 22,174 people for a 336% increase

Those two towns added 55,334 people to metro StL or 68% of the 82,000 people that the MO side of StL added.

Ouch and wow.

Wentzville is a ridiculous 45 miles from Downtown StL or further than the distance Lawrence, KS is from Downtown Kansas City, MO.

I would say exurban sprawl is alive and well in St Louis.

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Old 02-25-2011, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Fairview Heights, Hellinois
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O'Fallon added 33,160 people for a 72% increase

Wentzville added 22,174 people for a 336% increase

Those two towns added 55,334 people to metro StL or 68% of the 82,000 people that the MO side of StL added.

Ouch and wow.

Wentzville is a ridiculous 45 miles from Downtown StL or further than the distance Lawrence, KS is from Downtown Kansas City, MO.

I would say exurban sprawl is alive and well in St Louis.
Urban sprawl and the exurbs will continue to thrive and grow for the forseeable future.
Two things will eventually kill it:
1. $4-5 gas for two years or longer.
2. Reasonable alternatives (Safe cities with good schools).

People will get tired of driving 45min-one hour each way, every day, for 30 years.
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Old 02-25-2011, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Urban sprawl and the exurbs will continue to thrive and grow for the forseeable future.
Two things will eventually kill it:
1. $4-5 gas for two years or longer.
2. Reasonable alternatives (Safe cities with good schools).

People will get tired of driving 45min-one hour each way, every day, for 30 years.

You might be right about the gas. But how many of those people are really driving downtown anymore for work? Those days are gone. People work all over the metro area now.

And if you have answers for providing safe cities with good schools, please call Mayor Slay immediately.
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Old 02-25-2011, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Houston TX
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Most people I know that live far from the city build big ass mansion in a place like Eureka and work from home for 2 or 3 days a week. This is 2011 and life is much simpler to be worried about commute times.
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Old 02-25-2011, 04:53 PM
 
Location: St. Ann, MO
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A good friend of mine who works downtown with me is looking for new locations to live. His qualifications involve having several acres of land, and no more than a 45 minute commute. Right now he's really hitting the area around Washington, MO pretty hard (long drive i know) because at the early hours we tend to work, there wouldn't be traffic to contend with (just deer). Have numerous other co-workers who live in St. Peters, Wentzville, and even further West and Northwest of the St. Louis Metro and make hour long commutes every day. Such as one person who's moved all the way to Springfield, IL and makes the commute 4 days a week. She's there as a result of her husband's job, and commutes for her own, but still...that's a LONG drive.
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Old 02-26-2011, 01:38 AM
 
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Well at least St. Louis County isn't as low as I thought it was. City Data says it had 992,408 in 2009, but the link that was posted says it's at 998,954 people.
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Old 02-28-2011, 04:43 PM
 
Location: South St Louis
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And if the city would re-enter the county, the total St Louis county population would be a cool 1.32 million!
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