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Old 08-01-2011, 06:56 PM
 
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This information courtesy of the consumerist

According to this, St. Louisans spend the 11th least amount of money on gas in the country. And looking at the quality cities in our company, it's clear that cheap gas isn't the (main) reason. Other top gas teetotalers include Portland, Seattle, NYC, Brooklyn, DC, Arlington, Chicago, and Denver. Does St. Louis have much better non-car options than most people give it credit for? As someone who lived car-light in STL, I definitely think so!

It's no surprise to see which cities are gas guzzlers, including San Jose, Charlotte, Louisville, Birmingham, and Fort Worth. I also think that like the "most literate" rating, this only accounted for the city proper which this time skewed the results in a positive direction.
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Old 08-02-2011, 11:54 AM
 
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Missouri has the lowest or near the lowest gas tax, which is why we have crappy roads. Even though KC is gulper, the cost isn't much (on the MO side). I honestly think the MO gas tax should be 5 cents higher or more to also help build a new or widened I70 between KC/STL. Then again, I'd prefer high speed rail over that - too bad fuel tax is not allowed to help pay for other transit. I70 could still use an upgrade just to offset the huge amount of trucking traffic.
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:06 PM
 
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LA is a sipper? Definitely a flawed study.
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:16 PM
 
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This information courtesy of the consumerist

According to this, St. Louisans spend the 11th least amount of money on gas in the country. And looking at the quality cities in our company, it's clear that cheap gas isn't the (main) reason. Other top gas teetotalers include Portland, Seattle, NYC, Brooklyn, DC, Arlington, Chicago, and Denver. Does St. Louis have much better non-car options than most people give it credit for? As someone who lived car-light in STL, I definitely think so!

It's no surprise to see which cities are gas guzzlers, including San Jose, Charlotte, Louisville, Birmingham, and Fort Worth. I also think that like the "most literate" rating, this only accounted for the city proper which this time skewed the results in a positive direction.
I hope you noticed that these "data" only come from people who use mint.com. Do you have any research that shows that users of mint.com provide an accurate sample of all car users in the United States? Have the gas prices been standardized to account for price differences? I could list 10 more things that make this "study" useless.

Things like this make my head hurt. People see a "statistic" like this that confirms some bias they already have and then take it as being fact without questioning anything. This is exactly why I think every college student should be required to take a basic statistics class.
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:17 PM
 
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It's Mint.com reporting their members usage so it's not really a study at all. There are definitely some interesting theories to come up with to see where each city ends up. For St. Louis, I think the combination of only reporting the city limits, with low gas prices, a good public transit system, and having it quick/easy to get to places is the reason it does so well.
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:17 PM
 
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LA is a sipper? Definitely a flawed study.
This isn't a study at all. Just a list of data from a website. Nothing more.
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:19 PM
 
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It's Mint.com reporting their members usage so it's not really a study at all. There are definitely some interesting theories to come up with to see where each city ends up. For St. Louis, I think the combination of only reporting the city limits, with low gas prices, a good public transit system, and having it quick/easy to get to places is the reason it does so well.
How do you know they are reporting only the city limits? There is nothing on the website about the methodology used. That is a very big assumption you are making.
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:21 PM
 
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I hope you noticed that these "data" only come from people who use mint.com. Do you have any research that shows that users of mint.com provide an accurate sample of all car users in the United States? Have the gas prices been standardized to account for price differences? I could list 10 more things that make this "study" useless.

Things like this make my head hurt. People see a "statistic" like this that confirms some bias they already have and then take it as being fact without questioning anything. This is exactly why I think every college student should be required to take a basic statistics class.
Wow, take your meds today? I even hypothesized reasons in the OP that do not support my "bias" but instead show how the data can be misleading, but in a positive way. Maybe you should take basic reading comprehension classes before lecturing others in basic statistics.
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:23 PM
 
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How do you know they are reporting only the city limits? There is nothing on the website about the methodology used. That is a very big assumption you are making.
It's an assumption based on the fact that St. Louis ended up in a good place on this list at all. And again, that assumption runs contrary to my bias. Is there a particular reason your posts on here are almost always combatative and hostile? You must be a miserable person to be around if your posts are any indication.
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Old 08-02-2011, 01:14 PM
 
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Wow, take your meds today? I even hypothesized reasons in the OP that do not support my "bias" but instead show how the data can be misleading, but in a positive way. Maybe you should take basic reading comprehension classes before lecturing others in basic statistics.
Your lack of understanding shows in that you didn't ask the most basic question of where those "data" came from in the first place. Simply noticing that only users of mint.com are represented make it clear that the results are meaningless unless one is only asking the question of the gas usage of mint.com users. It is pretty obvious that you were trying to generalize those "data" to the entire US population and that was your mistake. You would have, or at least should have, learned this in the most basic statistics class.
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