Eureka vs. Chesterfield (St. Louis: to move, places, where to)

[loki03xlh]

Congrats on your choice. I hope you still like it a few years down the road.

[alikat1205]

i'm new to missouri. is there some reason i wouldn't like it? i am in rockwood s.d., although my kids go to private schools, near to 44, my husband is 20 mins from work downtown. i don't know anything about st. louis other than my observations of the last two months, so your perspective is one i would not be familiar with. let me know!

[aragx6]

It's probably a WestCo snob thing... I wouldn't worry too much about it. Fenton is a lot different than it used to be.

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by aragx6

Maybe you didn't see the dateline on racism in St. Louis. It's one of the most segregated cities in America. And they had a black guy go to Jeff Co and walk down the street and the following was shouted out a car windoow "Little far south aren't ya?" That's pretty ****ing racist, and anyone who is considering a move to that area should be made aware of that reality.

You're pathetic grouping an entire county into something like this. Racists are everywhere. Detroit is just as segregated and racist as St. Louis is, and Cleveland is not much better either. Blacks in fact in my opinion are more likely to be discriminated against these days in the Midwest than anywhere else in the country...most Midwestern cities are segregated...blacks and whites live in different parts of the city generally. You are taking one remote incident and saying that everybody in Jefferson County is like that. That is a load of crap. I know many people from Jefferson County, several of them are black, and they all think it's a pretty good place to live. Segregated means something far different these days than it did before the Civil Rights era.

[Veitamin]

Originally Posted by alikat1205

i'm new to missouri. is there some reason i wouldn't like it? i am in rockwood s.d., although my kids go to private schools, near to 44, my husband is 20 mins from work downtown. i don't know anything about st. louis other than my observations of the last two months, so your perspective is one i would not be familiar with. let me know!

The St. Louis like all cities has its ups and downs. I am a freshman in college and I didn't realize how much I liked it until I left. Some things I noticed in St. Louis that I don't really see other places:

1. The people are quite friendly. I can go to a restaurant and start talking to people at other tables like they were my best friends. People are very relaxed and know how to take it easy and enjoy themselves.

2. The traffic is at many times overwhelming. I lived in Chesterfield but went to a private school so my friends were all over the area. With the new highway 40 construction traffic at rush hour is horendous and if theres a wreck on 44 or 70 you're going to be waiting a while. That being said, the traffic is one of those things everyone got used to and brings a bit of pride to the area. I recently took two of my friends to St. Louis who are from Chicago and Indianapolis. They were amazed by the traffic and I simply said, "People here like to get where they want to go as fast as possible." Gas is lower priced in Missouri than a lot of places but everyone drives everywhere because St. Louis is so spread out. Watch the driving around because it may add up quick.

3. The elementary and high schools are at a high caliber in the suburbs (not St. Louis itself). St. Louis has the most Catholic high schools in the nation and a lot of the public school districts have national recognition. I went to both a public school and a private school and they were both very good for me.

4. Growing up in St. Louis there was always something to do pretty much anywhere. Your kids will have a great time here I'm sure once they make some new friends at school!

If you have any questions feel free to ask!

[Raza51]

Dude stay in Florida...... Taxes, Personal property taxes, car inspections, mechanical and emissions, Real estate taxes....need I say more ???????

[aragx6]

^^Crappy economy, no jobs, hurricanes... need I say more?

[aragx6]

Originally Posted by ajf131

You're pathetic grouping an entire county into something like this. Racists are everywhere. Detroit is just as segregated and racist as St. Louis is, and Cleveland is not much better either. Blacks in fact in my opinion are more likely to be discriminated against these days in the Midwest than anywhere else in the country...most Midwestern cities are segregated...blacks and whites live in different parts of the city generally. You are taking one remote incident and saying that everybody in Jefferson County is like that. That is a load of crap. I know many people from Jefferson County, several of them are black, and they all think it's a pretty good place to live. Segregated means something far different these days than it did before the Civil Rights era.

I'm not sure I feel the need to defend a post of mine from like a year ago, especially when you come at me and call me "pathetic" but I'll say this: If you place a high value on diversity, much of Jeff Co is not the place for you. The entire county is .9% black.

I have spent a lot of time there, stayed with friends for a while in Arnold at one point and never saw one, not one black person. The census says 216,000 people live in Jeff Co, so if less than 1% of them are black that means there are less than 2,000 black people living in 656 square miles!

Are you suggesting that you think that's an accident? Some sort of fluke? puh-leaze.

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by aragx6

I'm not sure I feel the need to defend a post of mine from like a year ago, especially when you come at me and call me "pathetic" but I'll say this: If you place a high value on diversity, much of Jeff Co is not the place for you. The entire county is .9% black.

I have spent a lot of time there, stayed with friends for a while in Arnold at one point and never saw one, not one black person. The census says 216,000 people live in Jeff Co, so if less than 1% of them are black that means there are less than 2,000 black people living in 656 square miles!

Are you suggesting that you think that's an accident? Some sort of fluke? puh-leaze.

No, I'm not saying it's any kind of fluke, what I am saying is that you are making Jefferson County out to be like it's the home of the KKK or that it's an incredibly unique place. The truth is that in the rural counties of the Midwest, the vast majority of citizens are all-white. Just because black people don't live there generally does not have a lot to do with how they are treated by the whites there these days...it probably has more to do with the majority of them not being able to afford it or just to be afraid of standing out...I'm not sure of the exact cause, but you're not sure of it either, so I suggest you stop making insinuations and broad generalizations of how people in an entire county think...that's called stereotyping, and unfortunately all does is lead you to a misguided conclusion and offend many people. It also generally has to do with the fact that during the Great Migration, the majority of African Americans settled in the major cities for job opportunities that were not offered to them in the rural parts...very, very few settled into the rural regions. White flight polarized the cities they migrated to. History is what most of these demographics are due to, and yes also racism I suppose, but I will be damned if you try and stereotype my friends and their families in Festus and Imperial as racist bigots. racists are everywhere, but they tend to be in the minority these days, not the majority, and very few discriminate or make racial remarks in the degree you claim one was made.

[Raza51]

Man I lived in Arnold/Fenton both in Jeff County since 1986, and raised 2 fine boys who attended Fox High and never noticed any "racial" incidents.
Oh by the way did I mention we are MEXICAN....Orala esa!!!