Southern or Midwestern? (Kansas City, St. Louis, Northwoods: real estate, costs, agriculture)

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by Fishtacos

Cincinnati is a lot smaller than St. Louis metro.

The following is a list of projected Midwest Metro population growth (%) from 2000-2020.

Info from the following Metropolitan Area Population Trends Ranking Table

Sioux Falls 43.95%
Lawrence 39.84%
Des Moines 35.80%
Springfield MO 34,64%
Rochester MN 30.99%
Indy 28.99%
Rockford 28.89%
St. Cloud 27.75%
Madison 25.81%
Fargo 24.42%
Appleton 23.58%
Bismarck 23.46%
Elkhart 26.92%
Holland 24.21%
Joplin 24.11%
Omaha 23.93%
Columbia 23.21%
Bloomington IL 22.81%
Kansas City 22.21%
Columbus 21.40%
Lincoln 20.82%
Twin Cities 20.51%
Ann Arbor 19.99%
Monroe 19.45%
Green Bay 18.75%
Iowa City 17.68%
Kankakee 16.65%
Rapid City 16.38%
Cedar Rapids 15.70%
Eau Claire 14.73%
Cincy 14.51%
Janesville 14.39%
Fort Wayne 14.19%
Racine 13.51%
Chicago 13.37%
Lafayette 13.36%
Dubuque 13.27%
Grand Rapids 13.25%
Columbus In 12.61%
Wichita 11.61%
St. Louis 11.37%
Wausau 11.20%
Jefferson City 11.06%
Jackson MI 10.45%
Champaign 9.79%
Muskegon 9.34%
Evansville 7.84%
Osh Kosh 6.85%
Bloomington IN 6.62%
Springfield 6.60%
Topeka 6.38%
Sheboygan 6.05%
Fond Du Lac 5.98%
La Crosse 5.60%
Kalamazoo 4.81%
Peoria 4.31%
Lansing 3.97%
Flint 3.51%
Canton 2.11%
Akron 1.84%
Ames 1.73%
Quad Cities 1.66%
Milwaukee 1.46%
Sioux City 0.88%
South Ben 0.85%
Michigan City 0.59%
Detroit 0.20%
Grand Forks -0.23%
Battle Creek-0.49%
Niles MI -1.00%
Kokomo -2.13%
Duluth -2.64%
Waterloo -2.81%
Dayton -3.14%
Toledo -3.21%
Mansfield -3.26%
Terre Haute -4.54%
Bay City -4.70%
Cleveland -5.43%
Saginaw -5.74%
Sandusky -6.31%
Anderson -6.32%
Springfield OH -6.42%
Danville -7.79%
Youngstown -8.04%
Lima -8.9%
Muncie -13.97%
Decatur -15.00%
Weirton -16.14%


Depends if you count Dayton (which would be 3.1 mil). The last stretch of land between Dayton and Cincinnati was just purchased and there are plans to build there.

After this the two cities will connect from city-center to city-center.


Aside from this is our metro is growing a little bit faster than STL's. In a couple of years, we'll have the largest metro in Ohio.

[MoNative34]

Originally Posted by ajf131

Hehe yea. Look, I admit that St. Louis has a few Southern characteristics. I still think though that it is clearly Midwestern. A lot like Cincinnati. Those two cities are very close to being twins.

And I think so too and rep for you.

[anduarto]

I admit, the St. Louis accent is more midwestern than southern but the twang is there.

I think the actor, John Goodman, has a classic St. Louis accent. If you wanna hear the distinct St. Louis sound, listen to him on an old episode of Rosseanne.

[LancasterNative]

Originally Posted by STLCardsBlues1989

Would you consider St. Louis to be Southern, Midwestern, or both?

Yes. Both...

And it just happens to be one of my favorite cities in the whole U.S. of A.

[LancasterNative]

Originally Posted by gameguy56

St. Louis is a River City. It has more in common with Louisville, Cincinnati, or Pittsburgh than either the Midwest or South.

Very valid point. The river is a defining part of St. Louis' identity, as is the case w/the others.

Heck, the similarities b/t St. Louis and Cincinnati are so striking, it's almost uncanny. They're like sister cities...except that in Cincinnati, it's OK to cross the river and hang out in the other state for a day. Covington & Newport KY are pretty nice.

No St. Louisan in his right mind would ever think of going over to "the Illinois side" for fun

[aragx6]

right mind? no. Drunk at 3 a.m.? definitely.

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by aragx6

right mind? no. Drunk at 3 a.m.? definitely.

ROFL!!!! Been there, done that, shocked I lived to tell! Anyone remember The Grainery?

[Ozark-Baby]

Originally Posted by kshe95girl

ROFL!!!! Been there, done that, shocked I lived to tell! Anyone remember The Grainery?

(raising my hand and waving) I do, I do!!!! Used to party there with friends. That was a long time ago though.

[ajf131]

Amazing how fast Springfield and Joplin are growing. Does not surprise in the least though. When I was down there with my dad he was shocked how much Joplin had grown since his boyhood there. Southwest Missouri is experiencing one of the largest growth spurts of anywhere in the Midwest, that's for sure.

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by LancasterNative

Very valid point. The river is a defining part of St. Louis' identity, as is the case w/the others.

Heck, the similarities b/t St. Louis and Cincinnati are so striking, it's almost uncanny. They're like sister cities...except that in Cincinnati, it's OK to cross the river and hang out in the other state for a day. Covington & Newport KY are pretty nice.

No St. Louisan in his right mind would ever think of going over to "the Illinois side" for fun

I disagree about it having very much in common with Louisville. Louisville's culture is Southern and it has a much more Southern feel to it than any of the other three cities mentioned, plus it is much smaller than St. Louis, Cincy, or Pittsburgh. St. Louis and Cincinnati are the most similar to one another because they are at virtually the same latitudes, have basically the same weather year round, and both are Midwestern in culture. That is why St. Louis' closest twin is likely Cincinnati. Also, Kansas City is probably St. Louis' next closest twin. It definitely has the most in common with the Midwest anyway the deck is stacked. Pittsburgh I would have to agree though is next in line for the cities with the most similarities to St. Louis, followed by Indianapolis, Columbus, and then further on Cleveland and Detroit and Milwaukee. In fact, Pittsburgh I think is more of a Midwestern city than a Northeastern one. There is no question that it shares more commonalities with Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Columbus than Philadelphia or Baltimore.