Tragedy in Kirkwood (St. Louis, St. Charles, St. Peters: real estate, condos, homes)

[Danilo-11]

Originally Posted by jojojohnson76

Why didn't this idiot move out of Kirkwood instead of killing 5 people and being killed and sent to rot in hell?

You see,
after reading all those article I can give you a descent answer.

He had lived in that area at least since he was a kid and was very involved in community service until he had some problems with his construction company and decided that it wasn't a good idea to be doing community service with little kids and then they would see him being arrested because of problems that he had with the city of Kirkwood.

[RickMG]

Originally Posted by Northwoods Voyager

I posted this thread due to the senselessness of the whole situation. Now I find that some of the posts here are as equally senseless. Mr. Thornton was known by many and just in the recent years has/had he shown such a negative side to his behaviours. This was not a racial issue. It was a very disturbed individual who felt mistreated and reacted in a violent and tragic manner.

He even left a suicide note at home. Now we have many families and friends suffering for his terrible act. He is not a martyr nor someone to admire. I have close friends that are in the law enforcement field and acts such as this affects many. Please, let's keep this civilized, okay?

I have resisted posting on this thread because of the direction it took almost from the beginning. The post quoted above, to me anyway, made more sense than anything written before or after it. My only problem is that nobody, ever, will be able to figure out why Mr. Thornton did what he did, but a few things I feel very strongly about. Why Mr. Thornton must've really believed he was being targeted, though he could not see, as others and the courts saw, that it was he who was in the wrong in his quests against the city. Also, for anyone to take the life of another for any reason other than in self defense, automatically, to me, places that person in the mentally unfit catagory. (No, I do not believe in an insanity defense to reduce penaltys. But to feel that he had a mental problem, created from within, might help understand what could've bothered him so much that it drove him over the edge mentally).

Racism! Why is everything blamed on Racism? Well, I can tell you that I know that racism is done in many innocent, well meaning ways. Things are going WAY in the right direction, but you can't change that the physical difference alone give each of us an instant notification of a person's race. By this statement I mean that when someone notices someone elses race when with them or not, it makes racism an issue. But, in saying that, noticing race is something completely normal, it's NOT racist. Big difference.

And in ending, I too am crying for SIX victims who lost their lives senslessly that night, not just five. I'm praying for the speedy recovery of the other two physically injured along with all of those who have, or are personally involved.

[By~Tor]

This story actually made the news in New York, believe it or not.... I feel for the families, frineds & neighbors of those affected....

[aragx6]

It was all over the national news media. Probably especially because it was so soon after the Tinley Park IL Lane Bryant murders.

[Fishtacos]

Originally Posted by aragx6

It was all over the national news media. Probably especially because it was so soon after the Tinley Park IL Lane Bryant murders.

I don't think it had anything to do with that. These types of situations are frequently covered by national news sources, regardless of geography and timing.

[aragx6]

I couldn't disagree more. I think it would have received national media regardless, but not to the extent it has.

The media loves to cover these "similar" incidents - remember the summer of the sharks? Or the flare-up of child abductions that was in no way correlated to actual child abduction rates?

Many of the national stories on the Kirkwood shooting also mentioned the Tinley Park murders.

[r8rfan]

Originally Posted by RickMG

I have resisted posting on this thread because of the direction it took almost from the beginning. The post quoted above, to me anyway, made more sense than anything written before or after it. My only problem is that nobody, ever, will be able to figure out why Mr. Thornton did what he did, but a few things I feel very strongly about. Why Mr. Thornton must've really believed he was being targeted, though he could not see, as others and the courts saw, that it was he who was in the wrong in his quests against the city. Also, for anyone to take the life of another for any reason other than in self defense, automatically, to me, places that person in the mentally unfit catagory. (No, I do not believe in an insanity defense to reduce penaltys. But to feel that he had a mental problem, created from within, might help understand what could've bothered him so much that it drove him over the edge mentally).

Racism! Why is everything blamed on Racism? Well, I can tell you that I know that racism is done in many innocent, well meaning ways. Things are going WAY in the right direction, but you can't change that the physical difference alone give each of us an instant notification of a person's race. By this statement I mean that when someone notices someone elses race when with them or not, it makes racism an issue. But, in saying that, noticing race is something completely normal, it's NOT racist. Big difference.

And in ending, I too am crying for SIX victims who lost their lives senslessly that night, not just five. I'm praying for the speedy recovery of the other two physically injured along with all of those who have, or are personally involved.

You didn't read all the posts evidently. There are several that stated the same thing. This was senseless. Racism had nothing to do with it. The guy obviously had some serious issues. Why are you sorry for six victims? I don't feel the least bit sorry for Thorton getting shot. He got what he deserved after killing 5 innocent people. I feel sorry for his family, but for him? No way.
And I don't believe there were too many racial comments other than dahole who started the whole race issue.

[Fishtacos]

Originally Posted by aragx6

I couldn't disagree more. I think it would have received national media regardless, but not to the extent it has.

The media loves to cover these "similar" incidents - remember the summer of the sharks? Or the flare-up of child abductions that was in no way correlated to actual child abduction rates?

Many of the national stories on the Kirkwood shooting also mentioned the Tinley Park murders.

I understand your point, but I do believe that regardless of other timed incidents, a 5 person murder spree would have received similar National attention for this amount of time. It has been less than a week. The National media will be moving on to the next topic of coverage or incident as it happens.

[jojojohnson76]

Originally Posted by Danilo-11

You see,
after reading all those article I can give you a descent answer.

He had lived in that area at least since he was a kid and was very involved in community service until he had some problems with his construction company and decided that it wasn't a good idea to be doing community service with little kids and then they would see him being arrested because of problems that he had with the city of Kirkwood.

What's your point? I'm not understanding...Is this a just reason to murder 5 people?

[aragx6]

No I think Danilo was saying that's why this guy didn't just move.