U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Missouri > St. Louis
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 1.5 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Jump to a detailed profile or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Business Search - 14 Million verified businesses
Search for:  near: 
Reply
 
Unread 02-10-2008, 03:12 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
148 posts, read 287,403 times
Reputation: 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by jojojohnson76 View Post
Why didn't this idiot move out of Kirkwood instead of killing 5 people and being killed and sent to rot in hell?
You see,
after reading all those article I can give you a descent answer.

He had lived in that area at least since he was a kid and was very involved in community service until he had some problems with his construction company and decided that it wasn't a good idea to be doing community service with little kids and then they would see him being arrested because of problems that he had with the city of Kirkwood.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Unread 02-11-2008, 01:30 AM
 
Location: Ballwin, MO
366 posts, read 1,031,865 times
Reputation: 196
Quote:
Originally Posted by Northwoods Voyager View Post
I posted this thread due to the senselessness of the whole situation. Now I find that some of the posts here are as equally senseless. Mr. Thornton was known by many and just in the recent years has/had he shown such a negative side to his behaviours. This was not a racial issue. It was a very disturbed individual who felt mistreated and reacted in a violent and tragic manner.

He even left a suicide note at home. Now we have many families and friends suffering for his terrible act. He is not a martyr nor someone to admire. I have close friends that are in the law enforcement field and acts such as this affects many. Please, let's keep this civilized, okay?
I have resisted posting on this thread because of the direction it took almost from the beginning. The post quoted above, to me anyway, made more sense than anything written before or after it. My only problem is that nobody, ever, will be able to figure out why Mr. Thornton did what he did, but a few things I feel very strongly about. Why Mr. Thornton must've really believed he was being targeted, though he could not see, as others and the courts saw, that it was he who was in the wrong in his quests against the city. Also, for anyone to take the life of another for any reason other than in self defense, automatically, to me, places that person in the mentally unfit catagory. (No, I do not believe in an insanity defense to reduce penaltys. But to feel that he had a mental problem, created from within, might help understand what could've bothered him so much that it drove him over the edge mentally).

Racism! Why is everything blamed on Racism? Well, I can tell you that I know that racism is done in many innocent, well meaning ways. Things are going WAY in the right direction, but you can't change that the physical difference alone give each of us an instant notification of a person's race. By this statement I mean that when someone notices someone elses race when with them or not, it makes racism an issue. But, in saying that, noticing race is something completely normal, it's NOT racist. Big difference.

And in ending, I too am crying for SIX victims who lost their lives senslessly that night, not just five. I'm praying for the speedy recovery of the other two physically injured along with all of those who have, or are personally involved.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 02-11-2008, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, the Iron City!!!
802 posts, read 1,725,564 times
Reputation: 227
This story actually made the news in New York, believe it or not.... I feel for the families, frineds & neighbors of those affected....
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 02-11-2008, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Volker, Kansas City, MO
12,062 posts, read 14,541,202 times
Reputation: 3496
It was all over the national news media. Probably especially because it was so soon after the Tinley Park IL Lane Bryant murders.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 02-11-2008, 01:29 PM
 
1,666 posts, read 3,042,830 times
Reputation: 503
Quote:
Originally Posted by aragx6 View Post
It was all over the national news media. Probably especially because it was so soon after the Tinley Park IL Lane Bryant murders.
I don't think it had anything to do with that. These types of situations are frequently covered by national news sources, regardless of geography and timing.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 02-11-2008, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Volker, Kansas City, MO
12,062 posts, read 14,541,202 times
Reputation: 3496
I couldn't disagree more. I think it would have received national media regardless, but not to the extent it has.

The media loves to cover these "similar" incidents - remember the summer of the sharks? Or the flare-up of child abductions that was in no way correlated to actual child abduction rates?

Many of the national stories on the Kirkwood shooting also mentioned the Tinley Park murders.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 02-11-2008, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Back in Rocky Mount, Mo!
205 posts, read 313,699 times
Reputation: 183
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickMG View Post
I have resisted posting on this thread because of the direction it took almost from the beginning. The post quoted above, to me anyway, made more sense than anything written before or after it. My only problem is that nobody, ever, will be able to figure out why Mr. Thornton did what he did, but a few things I feel very strongly about. Why Mr. Thornton must've really believed he was being targeted, though he could not see, as others and the courts saw, that it was he who was in the wrong in his quests against the city. Also, for anyone to take the life of another for any reason other than in self defense, automatically, to me, places that person in the mentally unfit catagory. (No, I do not believe in an insanity defense to reduce penaltys. But to feel that he had a mental problem, created from within, might help understand what could've bothered him so much that it drove him over the edge mentally).

Racism! Why is everything blamed on Racism? Well, I can tell you that I know that racism is done in many innocent, well meaning ways. Things are going WAY in the right direction, but you can't change that the physical difference alone give each of us an instant notification of a person's race. By this statement I mean that when someone notices someone elses race when with them or not, it makes racism an issue. But, in saying that, noticing race is something completely normal, it's NOT racist. Big difference.

And in ending, I too am crying for SIX victims who lost their lives senslessly that night, not just five. I'm praying for the speedy recovery of the other two physically injured along with all of those who have, or are personally involved.
You didn't read all the posts evidently. There are several that stated the same thing. This was senseless. Racism had nothing to do with it. The guy obviously had some serious issues. Why are you sorry for six victims? I don't feel the least bit sorry for Thorton getting shot. He got what he deserved after killing 5 innocent people. I feel sorry for his family, but for him? No way.
And I don't believe there were too many racial comments other than dahole who started the whole race issue.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 02-11-2008, 02:07 PM
 
1,666 posts, read 3,042,830 times
Reputation: 503
Quote:
Originally Posted by aragx6 View Post
I couldn't disagree more. I think it would have received national media regardless, but not to the extent it has.

The media loves to cover these "similar" incidents - remember the summer of the sharks? Or the flare-up of child abductions that was in no way correlated to actual child abduction rates?

Many of the national stories on the Kirkwood shooting also mentioned the Tinley Park murders.
I understand your point, but I do believe that regardless of other timed incidents, a 5 person murder spree would have received similar National attention for this amount of time. It has been less than a week. The National media will be moving on to the next topic of coverage or incident as it happens.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 02-11-2008, 02:45 PM
 
287 posts
Reputation: 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danilo-11 View Post
You see,
after reading all those article I can give you a descent answer.

He had lived in that area at least since he was a kid and was very involved in community service until he had some problems with his construction company and decided that it wasn't a good idea to be doing community service with little kids and then they would see him being arrested because of problems that he had with the city of Kirkwood.
What's your point? I'm not understanding...Is this a just reason to murder 5 people?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 02-11-2008, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Volker, Kansas City, MO
12,062 posts, read 14,541,202 times
Reputation: 3496
No I think Danilo was saying that's why this guy didn't just move.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $53,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $47,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Missouri > St. Louis
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:19 AM.

© 2005-2013, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 - Top