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Old 06-10-2017, 12:26 PM
 
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Elliott Davis has been talking about this and how basically it's a waste of time removing this monument when the city has BIGGER issues that need immediate attention.

Same thing with the New Orleans one. That city has the same big problems St. Louis has that should be getting focus instead of some old piece of concrete.

People wonder who is behind removing this stuff? George Soros imo. Trying to erase what little southern history is left in the south and border south such as what we are seeing in St. Louis and New Orleans and other states.

I wonder if they would try getting the Sterling Price statue in Little Dixie taken down? I don't that would go over too well with the locals there.
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Old 06-10-2017, 12:46 PM
 
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White supremacists have been the worst part of the country since it was created, it's worth talking about stamping it out.
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Old 06-10-2017, 01:24 PM
 
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White supremacists have been the worst part of the country since it was created, it's worth talking about stamping it out.
I agree wholeheartedly. I am in agreement that issues like violent crime should be addressed too. New Orleans and St. Louis have alot of problems. However, they represent two totally different issues that have little to do with each other. Since we are on the subject of Confederate monuments, I only suspect that violent crime is brought up to deflect from this issue. Stuff like White supremacy needs to be stamped out. Those Confederates are a glaring symbol of it.
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Old 06-10-2017, 01:57 PM
 
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White supremacists have been the worst part of the country since it was created, it's worth talking about stamping it out.
Who are the white supremacists and how do you propose to stamp them out?
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Old 06-10-2017, 02:03 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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I agree wholeheartedly. I am in agreement that issues like violent crime should be addressed too. New Orleans and St. Louis have alot of problems. However, they represent two totally different issues that have little to do with each other. Since we are on the subject of Confederate monuments, I only suspect that violent crime is brought up to deflect from this issue. Stuff like White supremacy needs to be stamped out. Those Confederates are a glaring symbol of it.
Violent crime and crime in general is brought up because it is ruining the City of St. Louis and the mayor is paying attention to old monuments.

Car break-ins are so bad they're part of St. Louis culture, like baseball and barges | Law and order | stltoday.com
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Old 06-10-2017, 02:47 PM
 
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Violent crime and crime in general is brought up because it is ruining the City of St. Louis and the mayor is paying attention to old monuments.

Car break-ins are so bad they're part of St. Louis culture, like baseball and barges | Law and order | stltoday.com
If you want to talk about those issues, separate thread for a separate time. The two issues have nothing to do with each other.
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Old 06-10-2017, 03:17 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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If you want to talk about those issues, separate thread for a separate time. The two issues have nothing to do with each other.
Possibly not in St Louis but in the New Orleans statue controversy, which I believe you are debating on another thread, a group of black pastors accused their mayor of using the statue tear down as a political ploy to appease the black community and divert attention from more important issues - like crime.

Black ministers' position on Confederate monuments, Gusman, exposes complex racial politics | NOLA.com

Quote - "The rub? The ministers don't want Landrieu to be more aggressive in his effort to remove controversial monuments, as some black residents and ministers have urged. Instead, Watson and the others have called Landrieu's removal efforts unnecessary and racially divisive "smokescreen" aimed at drawing attention away from the mayor's supposed failures in other arenas, notably crime prevention."

So while I agree with you the issues are not relevant to one another, both sides play that card.
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Old 06-10-2017, 03:28 PM
 
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If you want to talk about those issues, separate thread for a separate time. The two issues have nothing to do with each other.
No thanks.
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Old 06-10-2017, 04:05 PM
 
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The American ISIS is sanitizing history.
Are they? Nobody's taking that stuff out of the history books. It's our history and should always be taught and never forgotten. But having monuments of people who committed the highest form of treason against our country and illegally seceded and fought a war against their own countrymen shouldn't have monuments, shouldn't have schools named after them, and their flag sure as hell shouldn't fly. Please don't say that the worst 4 yrs of our country's existence is somehow "heritage".

I think the majority of the country would love to form a line and jackhammer CA into the pacific and wave to them as they floated away. But if they started laying the razorwire, illegally seceded and a militarized force shot our troops as they tried to regain the state, would they have statues after the fact? Would the future generations of those involved be the sons and daughters of hero's, or domestic terrorists? You honestly tell me it wouldn't be the latter.
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Old 06-10-2017, 04:32 PM
 
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I reiterate, it's not my place to argue one way or the other, but providing the statues are just seen as marking history, not applauding slavery, I'd like to see them whenever I'm in the U.S.
It's not obvious to a casual observer, but most Confederate memorials were not erected just after the war. Many of them came to be as part of the Lost Cause white supremacist movement in the later 19th century, which was aimed at justifying racist Jim Crow laws. This is also when you see the modern Confederate battle flag come into prominence, which was previously somewhat obscure, but was popularized by the KKK.
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