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Old 05-28-2017, 08:24 AM
 
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What did they think they were?
The English considered anyone who was not English as non-white.
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Old 05-28-2017, 08:48 AM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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What did they think they were?
They referred to African slaves as property.

Hopefully, for Memorial Day tomorrow this is fitting.

Corporal James Tanner, 87th NY Vol Infantry, lost both legs at the Second Bull Run and later became National Commander of the Grand Army of the Republic.
James Tanner, Corporal, United States Army

In 1914, the Daughters of the Confederacy unveiled a monument in Arlington Cemetery to honor their war dead interred there.
Confederate Memorial

While not scheduled to speak, Corporal Tanner was asked to say a few words at the dedication. Here is an excerpt of his words about the monument - and all future monuments.
""I expected when I came here to remain a quiet spectator and listener, glad to be here, cordially approving with all my heart the purpose and the occasion which has brought us together. I recall as I stand before you that just after the bill 'was introduced in Congress, setting aside this plot in which to inter the remains of the Confederate dead, 1 when our latest martyr President, the lovable McKinley, was in the White House. I had business with him one evening and when we had finished the matter in hand and I arose to depart, he detained me and asked if I had noticed the bill in question. I answered that I had. He asked me what I thought of it. I answered him that he and I served and fought and that we did not make war upon dead men nor bear animosity toward them; that I hoped and believed that the bill would pass unanimously; and that if I sat where he did, I would certainly sign it. His hand came out in a warm grasp as he said: '1 am glad to hear you talk like that, Tanner. I shall sign it as soon as it reaches my desk. ......
Years ago I expressed myself clearly and unmistakably on this subject. The time I did so some of you can locate easier than I. It was when the news went out on the wings of the press that it was proposed to erect in Chicago a monument in memory of the six thousand Southern dead buried there. This notice brought to me a much inflamed letter from one who claimed to be a Union veteran. He was very peremptory in his demand to know what I thought of 'this proposed outrage of erecting on Northern soil a monument in memory of Rebel dead;' and he demanded that my 'voice ring out in denunciation thereof.' I answered him at once and I said to him as I say to you today that wherever on this broad earth there exists a people who will encourage their manhood of any and all ages to go out and battle for a cause and then will permit those who gave their lives in sacrifice to that cause to lie in unmarked sepulchre and the memory of them to die out, they are a people regarding whom I have no power of expression with which to convey to you the measure of scorn and contempt I feel therefor; and I gave my correspondent full permission to ring those sentiments out as loud and as far as he cared or could. "

May your Memorial Day bring you a day filled with joy and happiness, courtesy of those who have sacrificed their lives on numerous battlefields, in numerous wars, in numerous countries. May we never forget their sacrifice.
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Old 05-28-2017, 09:07 AM
 
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What did they think they were?
Apes.
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Old 05-28-2017, 09:47 AM
 
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Apes.
Real apes?
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:00 AM
 
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Real apes?
There are people to this day who assert that they're apes, or closer to apes than to humans, to varying degrees. It was much more common fifty years ago, to say nothing of 150 years ago. It wasn't uncommon to describe negros in ape-like terms, or assert interbreeding with apes. See H.P. Lovecraft as one example of this sort of writing.

Heck, look in the comments section of stltoday.com and you still find references to black criminals as feral or animalistic.
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:27 AM
 
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There are people to this day who assert that they're apes, or closer to apes than to humans, to varying degrees.
I see what you're getting at. There is a Jewish saying in reference to Africans, "100 years from the jungle. 100 years from civilization."
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:31 PM
 
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It's strange to me that you are still angry over a war fought 150 plus years ago between Americans when the people most directly involved in that war were willing to accept peace with dignity and move on. And that has been the USA's approach since, whether it was our treatment of Japan after their surrender, our treatment of Germany, our rebuilding of Japan and Europe etc.

Very strange to suddenly be offended by Civil War monuments. Politically I suppose it's easier to direct anger at 100 plus year old monuments than dealing with current issues of crime, failing schools, rampant homelessness, declining population, etc.

Case in point. Very sad story. The city has much bigger problems than a Civil War monument dedicated to fallen soldiers.



3 adults killed, 7-year-old girl injured in St. Louis shooting | Law and order | stltoday.com
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Old 06-03-2017, 01:22 AM
 
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Case in point. Very sad story. The city has much bigger problems than a Civil War monument dedicated to fallen soldiers.



3 adults killed, 7-year-old girl injured in St. Louis shooting | Law and order | stltoday.com
Elliott Davis on facebook posted the same thing basically. The same can be said for the one in New Orleans. that city also has a serious crime issue like St. Louis.
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Old 06-03-2017, 11:49 AM
 
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It's basically surrendering the argument to say, "we can't talk about this issue until we deal with all the other issues". If our government can't talk about a statue without shutting down the police force, we have much bigger problems than crime and so on!
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Old 06-03-2017, 12:02 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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It's basically surrendering the argument to say, "we can't talk about this issue until we deal with all the other issues". If our government can't talk about a statue without shutting down the police force, we have much bigger problems than crime and so on!
That's not what people are saying. People are pointing out its ridiculous to make removing this confederate statute that's been here 100 years a priority, which is what Lyda Krewson has done. It's safe politically, even popular no doubt, but the city doesn't have the money to actually move it. And it will take resources that would better be served elsewhere fighting crime, poverty, homelessness, failing public schools, etc.

But those problems are big and daily issues. Better to distract.
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