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Old 08-01-2018, 08:52 AM
 
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I'm just wondering:

- Do people from St. Louis consider East. St. Louis to be part of the city or metro despite East. St. Louis being located in a different state?
- Is East St. Louis looked down upon by people from St. Louis?
- What would people from St. Louis say when asked to say anything positive about East St. Louis?
- Do people from St. Louis ever visit East St. Louis?
- Do people from St. Louis hang out with people from East. St. Louis?
- Do people from East. St. Louis consider themselves successful when they managed to move to St. Louis?
- How do people from St. Louis feel about people from East. St. Louis moving to their city?
- Do people from St. Louis blame crime problems in their city on East. St. Louis?
- Has the relationship between St. Louis and East. St. Louis improved or cooled down in recent years?

I tried to look for answers myself and found a youtube video(link) where a gentleman from East. St. Louis explains that St. Louis and East St. Louis are 'just different' and that 'there's no beef' but really not much else.
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Old 08-01-2018, 09:39 AM
 
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You wouldn't know by watching the local news that East St. Louis is in another state. I keep hearing them refer to it as " The Metro Area "
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Old 08-01-2018, 03:05 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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I'm just wondering:

- Do people from St. Louis consider East. St. Louis to be part of the city or metro despite East. St. Louis being located in a different state?
Yes, I consider East St. Louis part of the Metro along with a number of other municipalities in Illinois.

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- Is East St. Louis looked down upon by people from St. Louis?
Seemingly, yes. It, along with parts of North St. Louis City are no -go zones for many.


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- What would people from St. Louis say when asked to say anything positive about East St. Louis?
I can only speak for myself, but I love the facade of the Majestic. I'm sure the Spivey building was really something back in the day, too. Both are sadly crumbling away.

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- Do people from St. Louis ever visit East St. Louis?
Before I had children, when I first moved to STL, yes, mainly out of morbid curiosity. I am fascinated by urban blight and decay. I also went to a couple of night clubs there with coworkers.

Now that I have children, no. I'm certainly not as fearless as I was a decade ago, in my early 20s.

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- Do people from St. Louis hang out with people from East. St. Louis?
I don't know anybody who lives there.

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- Do people from East. St. Louis consider themselves successful when they managed to move to St. Louis?
No idea? One thing I have noticed though, is that people from the East side of the Metro generally stay East- even if they move to another city. Similarly for the Missouri side.

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- How do people from St. Louis feel about people from East. St. Louis moving to their city?
See above.

I'm sure it does happen though. But honestly, who cares where anyone is originally from?

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- Do people from St. Louis blame crime problems in their city on East. St. Louis?
No.

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- Has the relationship between St. Louis and East. St. Louis improved or cooled down in recent years?
Historically, it seems that it was more of a mess of a relationship back in the 1800s. I don't think most St. Louisians give East STL much of a thought. We've got enough issues of our own to deal with.

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I tried to look for answers myself and found a youtube video(link) where a gentleman from East. St. Louis explains that St. Louis and East St. Louis are 'just different' and that 'there's no beef' but really not much else.
I haven't watched the video- but ESTL and STL are very different beasts. While ESTL was arguably nicer than it is now, half a century ago, it has always been STL's rough little sister.

ESTL was never a huge city, and never achieved the kind of size initially projected for it.

Back in the early 1900s right up to WW2, it had a, large Red Light district with vice, gambling and saloons that operated much longer hours than similar institutions in St. Louis. In the 1930s- early 1940s, Scott AFB had the highest per capita VD out of any base in the country, prompting the Federal Government to intervene and try and clean up ESTL. However, it wasn't until work for the Interstate started a couple of decades later, that the original Red Light district was finally properly destroyed.

Aside from that infamy, in the 1800s- early 1900s, ESTL mostly had the "smelly" industries that St. Louisans didn't want in their own backyard (meat works and other kinds of large factories). By the 1960s though, a lot of the plants were already moving or shuttering, which propelled the decline. It was a financial and physical mess by the 1980s.

(Obviously I'm not just into blight, I'm into the history of blight as well).
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Old 08-01-2018, 03:29 PM
 
Location: STL area
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I'm just wondering:

- Do people from St. Louis consider East. St. Louis to be part of the city or metro despite East. St. Louis being located in a different state?
- Is East St. Louis looked down upon by people from St. Louis?
- What would people from St. Louis say when asked to say anything positive about East St. Louis?
- Do people from St. Louis ever visit East St. Louis?
- Do people from St. Louis hang out with people from East. St. Louis?
- Do people from East. St. Louis consider themselves successful when they managed to move to St. Louis?
- How do people from St. Louis feel about people from East. St. Louis moving to their city?
- Do people from St. Louis blame crime problems in their city on East. St. Louis?
- Has the relationship between St. Louis and East. St. Louis improved or cooled down in recent years?

I tried to look for answers myself and found a youtube video(link) where a gentleman from East. St. Louis explains that St. Louis and East St. Louis are 'just different' and that 'there's no beef' but really not much else.
East St. Louis is part of the metro east of St. Louis

Positive about E St. Louis? I personally think it would be prime real estate and it has great bones but Iím certain that the state of IL could not care less about it.

Iíve driven through. There is nothing to visit really.

Iím sure that people have friends and family in different parts of the metro and they do hang out. My dad lived there 70+ years ago.

I think when people can get their families into safer areas, they should feel successful

IDK about others but people can and should move as they see fit.

I think most people blame crime on drugs, gangs, and poverty

I donít know that there is any specific relationship. Most of us will avoid it as one of the unsafe areas
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Old 08-02-2018, 08:41 AM
 
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As others have said, ESTL is part of Metro STL. This is not a matter of opinion but rather stems from the definition of Metropolitan Statistical Area created by the U.S. Census and the Office of Management and Budget. More specifically, it is part of what is called the "Metro East": the Illinois part of the St Louis MSA.

As other posters have said, ESTL is so desolate in any respect that the only reasons why anyone would go there are: (i) morbid/urban decay tourism, (ii) charity/volunteer organizations, (iii) strip clubs or casinos. There is basically no retail or restaurants, and so absolutely no reason to go there if you do not live there.

On top of it, the city has experienced a massive population loss and is a relatively small town at this point (less than 30 thousand people). A significant share of the population lives in extreme poverty. For that reason, it is very unlikely that anyone who would be posting in an Internet forum would even know anyone who currently lives in ESTL.

In any case, as another poster mentioned, ESTL is pretty much similar to North St Louis, which is larger and "closer" to the rest of the city. Besides warning visitors not to go there, people tend not to give ESTL much thought...
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Old 08-03-2018, 03:45 PM
 
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I'm just wondering:

- Do people from St. Louis consider East. St. Louis to be part of the city or metro despite East. St. Louis being located in a different state? Both. It IS part of the metro area, but we also consider it to be in a different state. I used to live on east side. Our laws are different and our taxes are very different than Missouri.
- Is East St. Louis looked down upon by people from St. Louis? Generally, yes.
- What would people from St. Louis say when asked to say anything positive about East St. Louis? Well, they have lots of strip clubs.
- Do people from St. Louis ever visit East St. Louis? Are you speaking of East St. Louis city limits, or the general east side? I lived on the east side, but not East St. Louis city, proper. If you're speaking of East St. Louis proper, there is no manufacturing or job opportunities in that particular city. It's all mainly residences as I recall. But it's been a long time since I've been in the East St. Louis city limits.
- Do people from St. Louis hang out with people from East. St. Louis? Sure.
- Do people from East. St. Louis consider themselves successful when they managed to move to St. Louis?
- How do people from St. Louis feel about people from East. St. Louis moving to their city?
- Do people from St. Louis blame crime problems in their city on East. St. Louis? Seems like, these days, people are more apt to blame north St. Louis city, more than East St. Louis.
- Has the relationship between St. Louis and East. St. Louis improved or cooled down in recent years? I'd say so. But it's heated up in north St. Louis.

I tried to look for answers myself and found a youtube video(link) where a gentleman from East. St. Louis explains that St. Louis and East St. Louis are 'just different' and that 'there's no beef' but really not much else.

I would agree with the "just different" reasoning.
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Old 08-03-2018, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Metropolis IL
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This is just a view from riding the Metrolink, but what's interesting to me, is that due to population loss and demolition of homes and buildings over the years, is how much of East St. Louis resembles a rural area now. What's left of the downtown, never seems to have anybody walking the streets. For what it's worth, some of the newer public housing is some of the nicer I've seen.

I'm old, and remember the 1950's and 60's before the Interstate highways, when you had to navigate IL Route 3 to the MacArthur Bridge, with numerous stoplights through downtown. To me, East St. Louis was a much more foreboding place in those days.
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Old 08-05-2018, 03:46 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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This is just a view from riding the Metrolink, but what's interesting to me, is that due to population loss and demolition of homes and buildings over the years, is how much of East St. Louis resembles a rural area now. What's left of the downtown, never seems to have anybody walking the streets. For what it's worth, some of the newer public housing is some of the nicer I've seen.

I'm old, and remember the 1950's and 60's before the Interstate highways, when you had to navigate IL Route 3 to the MacArthur Bridge, with numerous stoplights through downtown. To me, East St. Louis was a much more foreboding place in those days.
North St. Louis is much the same way. Large swaths of empty lots.
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Old 08-06-2018, 07:18 AM
 
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North St. Louis is much the same way. Large swaths of empty lots.

To me, I blame the city itself for that. The city of St. Louis gave Paul McKee (a developer) preferential treatment, and let him buy up homes, and then just let them sit there and rot. THOSE houses turned into flop houses and drug houses, Which brought down the property values of the homes around the ones that HE bought up, which meant less tax base, which means ****ty schools, and which meant (ultimately) more crime.


When people talk about institutionalized racism...THIS is an example of it.
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Old 08-06-2018, 04:48 PM
 
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The McKee thing was bad, but the city fell for it because the area was already bad and they were looking for a cure.
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