Definitions of Mid, South, North, and West St. Louis County? (St. Charles: middle-class, homes)

[Claytonian4]

I have been pondering this definition for awhile and it's a hotly debated topic as I'm finding out. Below are several sources I copied and pasted below to show the various definitions I've found. They aren't the only definitions however, and I'm curious to hear what others think. The most common cities I've found that overlap with multiple county regions are Maryland Heights, Overland, Frontenac, Kirkwood, Des Peres, Webster Groves, and Shrewsbury. My own personal definition of each county region is as follows:

North County cites: (bounded on the south by I-70 heading east and then St. Charles Rock Road, and on the north and west by the Missouri River, on the east by the Mississippi and by the city of St. Louis) : Ferguson, Florissant, Black Jack, Spanish Lake, Hazelwood, Bridgeton, Bellerive, Bel-Nor, Bel-Ridge, St. John, St. Ann, Edmundson, Woodson Terrace

Mid County cities: (bounded on the north by I-70 heading east and then St. Charles Rock Road heading east from where it crosses I-70, on the east by the city, and on the west by roughly I-270, and on the south by I-44): Clayton, Richmond Heights, Kirkwood, Webster Groves, parts of Shrewsbury, University City, Olivette, Overland, Breckenridge Hills, Sycamore Hills, Charlack, Hanley Hills, parts of Creve Couer, Maplewood, Brentwood, Rock Hill, Glendale, University City, Wellston, Vinita Park, Oakland

West County cities (bounded on the east by roughly I-270 in most areas, on the south and west by Franklin County and I-44): Ballwin, Chesterfield, Wildwood, Twin Oaks, Crystal Lake Park, Maryland Heights, most of Creve Couer, Des Peres, Clarkson Valley, Ellisville, Eureka, Valley Park

South County cities (bounded on the north by the city and by the north and west by I-44, on the south by Jefferson County, on the east by the Mississippi): Most of Shrewsbury, Lemay, Affton, Marlborough, Fenton, Sunset Hills, Grantwood Village, Crestwood, Mehlville, Oakville, Lakeshire

Here are my 10 sources which roughly corroborate my definition:

https://dalesigns.com/directions/

https://63114.com/ (search various zip codes and it roughly backs up my definition

Find a Therapist | Saint Louis Psychological Association

https://www.fasterhouse.com/mid-st-louis-county/

https://www.thefreightway.com/wp-con...sletter_v2.pdf

https://www.oatstransit.org/st-louis

https://precisiongaragedoorstl.com/r...ke-saint-louis

http://service1sthomes.com/area/mid-...te/?idxpage=29

http://www.dltowing.com/

http://patch.com/missouri/mehlville-...g-ban-8f905be7

[MUTGR]

You've done research and put effort into it, but just as a lifelong resident, I mostly hear people talk about and differentiate by North, West and South.

I don't hear people say Mid-County much, although geographically that seems accurate.

In my mind, and it could just be me, I don't necessarily think of I-70 as being the southern boundary of what I think North County to be.

Places like Maryland Heights, Overland, St. Ann, and those smaller burbs closer to the city (Pagedale, Hanley HIlls, etc.) seem more like north county to me.


Clayton, Ladue, Brentwood, Webster Groves, and Kirkwood seem like stand-alone places to me - physically in mid-county but again, I just don't hear people say mid-county.

[aliasfinn]

Originally Posted by MUTGR

You've done research and put effort into it, but just as a lifelong resident, I mostly hear people talk about and differentiate by North, West and South.

I don't hear people say Mid-County much, although geographically that seems accurate.

In my mind, and it could just be me, I don't necessarily think of I-70 as being the southern boundary of what I think North County to be.

Places like Maryland Heights, Overland, St. Ann, and those smaller burbs closer to the city (Pagedale, Hanley HIlls, etc.) seem more like north county to me.


Clayton, Ladue, Brentwood, Webster Groves, and Kirkwood seem like stand-alone places to me - physically in mid-county but again, I just don't hear people say mid-county.

That's the way I look at it too.

[RisingAurvandil]

I've always considered Maryland Heights to be a part of North County.

And although Eureka and Pacific are geographically in West County, I don't necessarily think they are in terms of socioeconomics or culture. They've always felt like a mix of working/middle-class suburbia and Ozarks. Valley Park is another oddity that doesn't really fit with the rest of West County.

[MUTGR]

Originally Posted by RisingAurvandil

I've always considered Maryland Heights to be a part of North County.

And although Eureka and Pacific are geographically in West County, I don't necessarily think they are in terms of socioeconomics or culture. They've always felt like a mix of working/middle-class suburbia and Ozarks. Valley Park is another oddity that doesn't really fit with the rest of West County.

Your're right about Valley Park.

It's bounded by Kirkwood and I assume Ballwin maybe Fenton but it is an odd duck. You might be in rural Missourah on a river when you're there.

Personally, I do think 44 is a pretty northern boundary for South County, although I feel Watson road is more precise.

[Claytonian4]

Overland and the cities east of it along Page are too far south to be North County. Maryland Heights and Overland have more in common with the cities to the south of them than to the north. St. Charles Rock Road is the southern boundary of North County, not Page. Overland has more in common with Olivette than Florissant Or even St. Ann. Maryland Heights is more like Creve Couer than Bridgeton. Neither of these cities are North County to me. And every source I posted backs this up. I used to think these places were North County too but having driven all over North County something changes when I cross the Rock Road. I reiterate St. Charles Rock Road and west of where it meets 70, 70 as the southern boundary of North County. Also both Overland and Maryland Heights touch multiple county regions. They are not definitively one thing or the other.

[Claytonian4]

Parts of Maryland Heights are also in the Parkway school district. That’s West County. I agree Maryland Heights could be considered North County, but the truth is it straddles both West and North County at best. Overland is only 2-3 miles north of Downtown Clayton. How anyone can say that’s North County is beyond me. I agree the areas north of Overland are North County, but Overland and Maryland Heights are not universally considered North County. Even the areas immediately south of I-70 are not universally considered North County, even though I consider them to be North County.

[MUTGR]

Originally Posted by RisingAurvandil

I've always considered Maryland Heights to be a part of North County.

And although Eureka and Pacific are geographically in West County, I don't necessarily think they are in terms of socioeconomics or culture. They've always felt like a mix of working/middle-class suburbia and Ozarks. Valley Park is another oddity that doesn't really fit with the rest of West County.

I don't really consider Eureka and Pacific to be West County either. Nor traditional south county. Kinda of a mix as you say.

[FrankMiller]

Originally Posted by RisingAurvandil

I've always considered Maryland Heights to be a part of North County.

I think of Maryland Heights as being north county because everyone who lived there was from north county. Maybe that's less true or less relevant nowadays.

Originally Posted by RisingAurvandil

And although Eureka and Pacific are geographically in West County, I don't necessarily think they are in terms of socioeconomics or culture. They've always felt like a mix of working/middle-class suburbia and Ozarks. Valley Park is another oddity that doesn't really fit with the rest of West County.

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[Sassybluesy]

Originally Posted by MUTGR

You've done research and put effort into it, but just as a lifelong resident, I mostly hear people talk about and differentiate by North, West and South.

I don't hear people say Mid-County much, although geographically that seems accurate.

In my mind, and it could just be me, I don't necessarily think of I-70 as being the southern boundary of what I think North County to be.

Places like Maryland Heights, Overland, St. Ann, and those smaller burbs closer to the city (Pagedale, Hanley HIlls, etc.) seem more like north county to me.


Clayton, Ladue, Brentwood, Webster Groves, and Kirkwood seem like stand-alone places to me - physically in mid-county but again, I just don't hear people say mid-county.

To me, Maryland Heights is the beginning of West County. LOL