What you hate about St. Louis (Cleveland, Rea: shop, to move, manufacturing)

[Central Illinois 1]

Originally Posted by Fishtacos

St. Louis winters are extremely more friendly than any of the places you just mentioned, not even close. I've lived in Chicago, Milwaukee, and I've a great deal of time in the Twin Cities as well as Green Bay WI. St. Louis is not in the same stratosphere as far as winter.

The obvious, is the less amount of snow. Combine that with the fact that it rarely gets above freezing in those other places for months at a time and you have rock hard snow and ice that never leaves the ground. And don't get me started on the wind, the single under-represented thing about winter differences in those places and St. Louis. It's all about the wind, which makes it feel significantly different. When you have to walk backwards in one direction a few blocks to make the train, let me know. These other cities also do not have anywhere near the amount of sunshine in the winter as does St. Louis. And, yes, even when it's cold sunshine is welcomed and helps a lot of people.

St. Louis doesn't have what I would call ideal winters, or even great to good ones, but there is a significant difference between winter in St. Louis and winter in any of those other places, not even close.

Ditto....I lived in Green Bay for 8 years and, believe me, St. Louis winters are much milder.

[oscottscotto]

Originally Posted by Fudoshin1115

That big river is a drag. I was trading beaver furs the other day and nearly capsized my raft coming back across! Someone has to make a rope ferry soon, or I may be forced to settle down and become a farmer.

That actually did make me laugh out loud.

[desperad0stl]

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[ajf131]

Originally Posted by mc378

Born and raised 10 minutes from Lake Michigan across the border from Chicago. Lake effect snow and frigid cold temperatures make St. Louis winters seem comparatively mild. My mom and sister, who still live in NW Indiana, have received God knows how many feet of snow this year. It's the worst winter there since the early 1980's. We have been lucky in St. Louis...only one real snowstorm this year (and even that storm would not have closed the schools where I grew up).

So let me get this straight, 8 inches of snow is nothing? I guess that's why it was enough to close off schools in Cleveland when my mother was growing up, so I guess Cleveland's winters are very mild Fine, it's not harsh by your standards. That doesn't mean it's mild. You guys get some of the worst, coldest winters in the entire country. If we can't match you, our winters are automatically mild, is that it? By comparison to your winters, maybe they are mild. But it nonetheless does get cold frequently and it does snow a decent amount here. Maybe not like those areas, but still...St. Louis' winters are again, NOT mild. They are not harsh, they are moderate. St. Louis also got 30 inches of snow last year, and as far as not frigid cold, I guess hitting the single digits at least 5 times, averaging 22.5 of snow a year, getting several big snowstorms capable of dumping over half a foot of snow each winter, reaching single digit and near zero temperatures numerous times and getting below 32 degrees fahrenheit on a fairly regular basis is a very mild winter. St. Louis averages 22.5 inches of snow during the winter and almost always gets below freezing at night, regardless of how warm it is in the daytime, and it's not uncommon for the daytime temperature to be below freezing, although it's more frequently above freezing in the daytime. If you tracked the weather each day by the hour like me, maybe you might know this. It also is perfectly capable of experiencing cold spells that are capable of lasting up to a week at a time. It doesn't stay cold for as long as Chicago, and experiences more warm spells, and gets less snow. It's 10 degrees warmer than that area typically, but still, hardly a basis for declaring St. Louis' winters to be mild. You don't have to have a winter like the places along the Great Lakes to be considered even moderate, that is without a doubt true. This has been an extremely short, mild winter for St. Louis, EXTREMELY short and mild. I don't ever remember a February that had a warm spell which lasted several weeks continuously, and I've been here 22 years. The temperatures I am seeing now shouldn't be starting until maybe mid-March at the very earliest. The longest it is warm in the winter is typically maybe 3 or 4 days max before it gets cold again. December, January, and February are typically cold, snowy months for St. Louis. Early March is usually when the transition to spring begins.

[aragx6]

Good info and I mostly agree, though fwiw breaking that into two or three paragraphs would have made that MUCH easier to read.

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by aragx6

Good info and I mostly agree, though fwiw breaking that into two or three paragraphs would have made that MUCH easier to read.

hehe...yeah...I'll break it up next time.

[blueatari]

Logging into Stltoday.com every single day and reading how someone was shot dead, assaulted, or beat to a pulp in North City. I understand why people think this city is so violent. It IS in certain parts....Face it, North City is not like the rest of the Metro. That is what I hate....

[STLCardsBlues1989]

I think some parts of North City are more dangerous than others.

[The Solid Truth]

Anywhere in the world can be dangerous now. You have to be vigilant, sensible and wise about your movements and 99.9 percent of the time, you'll be OK.

Anyway, what I hate about St. Louis has nothing to do with crime or danger - it's how SLOW things are here! Driving, talking, shopping, whatever...is this the Midwest or the South? I've been here almost three years and I don't think I've ever encountered a slower-paced environment!

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by The Solid Truth

Anywhere in the world can be dangerous now. You have to be vigilant, sensible and wise about your movements and 99.9 percent of the time, you'll be OK.

Anyway, what I hate about St. Louis has nothing to do with crime or danger - it's how SLOW things are here! Driving, talking, shopping, whatever...is this the Midwest or the South? I've been here almost three years and I don't think I've ever encountered a slower-paced environment!

Really? What are you comparing the Lou to, New York?