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Old 08-05-2009, 08:43 PM
 
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My only gripe with St. Louis when I lived there were the downtown/inner city areas. I know they're trying to bring it back, and I hope one day they do. (Whomever 'they' is.) I really enjoy urban energy, and I know there are still some really vibrant neighborhoods down there. I can only imagine what the city was like in the 1950's with a population of up near 800,000. I lived near downtown Clayton for a while and really liked that area. In general the St. Louis area, much like KC, is underrated and has a lot to offer. Go Cards!
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Old 08-05-2009, 09:42 PM
 
Location: The City of St. Louis
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It's a pretty good deal. I think you can get nearly as much, if not as much utility from other U.S. cities that are somewhere in the same neighborhood size-wise (give or take a million on the CMSA population) and similar on a cost of living scale. Off the bat my mind goes to Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Kansas City-- all perfectly fine, affordable cities with decent entertainment, shopping, housing and culture, like St. Louis.
One of the big draws of St. Louis for me was the close proximity to outdoor activities (hiking, canoeing, mountain biking, etc). With the exception of Pittsburgh (actually a "plan B" for me if I couldn't find a job in STL) and Cincinnati, St. Louis has a far more interesting natural landscape close by than any of those other cities.
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Old 08-05-2009, 09:59 PM
 
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[quote=OA 5599;10135071]One of the big draws of St. Louis for me was the close proximity to outdoor activities (hiking, canoeing, mountain biking, etc).

Kowalski, could you please elaborate on what mountains in Missouri are you referring to?
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Old 08-05-2009, 10:26 PM
 
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One of the big draws of St. Louis for me was the close proximity to outdoor activities (hiking, canoeing, mountain biking, etc).

Kowalski, could you please elaborate on what mountains in Missouri are you referring to?
Ever hear of the OZARK mountains in SW Missouri?
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Old 08-05-2009, 11:16 PM
 
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STL offers great value period. Value has a very specific meaning. It is what you get relative to what you have to pay for it. I would say though that you might find similar value in Milwaukee and Cleveland. They are also great cities that offer alot for a relatively low cost of living.
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Old 08-05-2009, 11:20 PM
 
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Ever hear of the OZARK mountains in SW Missouri?
By west coast standards, the Ozarks are mere hills...
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Old 08-05-2009, 11:56 PM
 
Location: The City of St. Louis
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By west coast standards, the Ozarks are mere hills...
By Cleveland, Indianapolis, or Chicago standards, they might as well be the Alps.
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Old 08-06-2009, 12:16 AM
 
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By Cleveland, Indianapolis, or Chicago standards, they might as well be the Alps.

Here is a very legitimate question: Is there actually a hill in the city of Chicago? I have been there many many times, including today, and cannot think of where one hill would be.
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Old 08-06-2009, 03:40 AM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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By west coast standards, the Ozarks are mere hills...
Will be seeing the Ozarks today! By standards here in Florida, the Ozarks are akin to the Himalayas!
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:13 AM
 
Location: MO Ozarkian in NE Hoosierana
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By west coast standards, the Ozarks are mere hills...
By Midwest standards, some parts of the west coast are mere la la lands...

btw - when using the term 'mountain biking' in the midwest, that implies using a mountain bike for off-road usage, on trails, up and down the modest yet enjoyable hills we have herein. Nobody here implied that they are the Rockies or even the Appalachians - its all relative, and the Ozarks, while not high, they are deep... and beautiful.

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Here is a very legitimate question: Is there actually a hill in the city of Chicago? I have been there many many times, including today, and cannot think of where one hill would be.
Here is a very legitimate answer: who stated that there was hills in Chicago? I believe you might want to rethink your thoughts regarding this matter... for what is being implied is that due to the relative flatness of the Indy, Cleaveland, and Chicago areas, the Ozarks are quite mountainous.
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