St. Louis vs. Minneapolis?? (Ozark, Branson: apartment complex, living, restaurants)

[CoffeeAndBeer]

Originally Posted by DinsdalePirahna

No it doesn't. It has a solid Midwestern Feel. Nothing east coast about it. I'll give you Historic.



Yeah right. II have seen more passive-aggressive behavior from Businesses, HR people and interviewers than anywhere I have ever lived. You can't get straight answers. You are always told during the interview process that "you are exactly what they are looking for, we'll get right back to you..." and no one has the common sense or courtesy to return emails and phone messages.

I've seen this trait with mortgage brokers, insurance representatives, car dealers and other so called professionals.

The lack of proactivity in this area is horrible.

I've been trying to be more positive and I am getting use to living in the midwest. But I see a post like that and I have to respond. Sorry for being negative.

Addressing your explosive outrage -

Any city that has rowhouse nabes and was once bigger than Boston at the height of american urbanity I'd say has an east coast like feel...compared with the truly midwestern looking citys that surround St. Louis. I've traveled A LOT, St. Louis, in context, has a more east coast like feel than about any midwestern city in my opinion. To be more exacting, St. Louis City feels most similar to the Mid Atlantic east coast like Baltimore City.

[OA 5599]

Originally Posted by CoffeeAndBeer

Addressing your explosive outrage -

Any city that has rowhouse nabes and was once bigger than Boston at the height of american urbanity I'd say has an east coast like feel...compared with the truly midwestern looking citys that surround St. Louis. I've traveled A LOT, St. Louis, in context, has a more east coast like feel than about any midwestern city in my opinion. To be more exacting, St. Louis City feels most similar to the Mid Atlantic east coast like Baltimore City.

I agree...the first time I drove through Baltimore I couldn't believe how much it reminded me of St. Louis. Swap the harbor for the Mississippi and add an arch and you have the Gateway City. The architecture in St. Louis is also very similar to the District of Columbia.

Culturally, yeah St. Louis is totally the Midwest, but the architecture and the way the city is laid out feels much more eastern then just about every other city in the Midwest....especially when compared to places like Kansas City and even Chicago. Additionally, St. Louis is the westernmost outpost of older cities that were heavily settled by immigrants straight out of Europe. Predominantly brick architecture also begins to disappear not too far west of here.

[DinsdalePirahna]

It has an east coast feel if you think of Buffalo, NY. But Buffalo NY is essentially a Midwestern City. Not that there is anything wrong with that. (And do you really want to compare Saint Louis to Baltimore?)

Comparing Baltimore Harbor and the Mississippi River is a big stretch. Maybe back in the Steamboat days when there actually was commerce on the riverfront. But even then it wouldn't compare the international flavor of baltimore.

[northbayeric]

Originally Posted by DinsdalePirahna

It has an east coast feel if you think of Buffalo, NY. But Buffalo NY is essentially a Midwestern City.

I think one ajf131 is gonna have to call his office and fast! Seriously, and in fairness, I have never visited Buffalo before.

[Fishtacos]

Originally Posted by BoomBoxing

You don't know where I've spent time and where I haven't. I would rather debate what St. Louis is really like and what it has to offer rather than the virtues of living in Lake St. Louis. I am sure it is nice and all but I don't see the appeal of having no pubic transit, having to spend 2 hours in a car everyday, chain restaurants, and no history or classic architecture. But it's personal preference, I am sure those things don't make a bit of difference to most of the people living there, otherwise they probably wouldn't live there.

I have personally helped many transplants from out of state to help them get adjusted to the area. I work with many of them and none of them have the same negative things to say about the area that you do. They always comment on how helpful people are and how many quirky/different bars and restaurants there are here. And they are not from rural South Dakota either, they are from big cities. So I really don't know why virtually every person I know that is a transplant loves the area and you don't. My only explanation is that you expect St. Louis to be San Fransisco, haven't been to the city enough, are too far away, or you are just unhappy in general and project that onto St. Louis.

But you can't argue one thing, a lot of us are passionate about this city and will always be here promoting it every chance we get. Trust me I could afford to move elsewhere, and my job would allow me to easily transfer to 4 other major cities with no problem. I've lived elsewhere (although I am a native) and I think St. Louis is one of the best and most underrated cities in the country.

Sorry to derail this thread a second time, but to the OP: I hope you decide to choose St. Louis and if you do, there will be plenty of people here ready to help you.

I knew if I read long enough I'd find sanity in this thread.

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I've lived in Minneapolis and I've lived in St Louis. I prefer St. Louis. I'm older than you, but basically had the same life style (as you) all of my life.

[grubbyhubby]

I am from St. Louis, born and raised. My wife is from Minneapolis. GO TO MINNEAPOLIS!
I lived in MN for 9 years and I have to say; St. Louis sucks!!
To say that crime is only concentrated in a few North County towns is an outright lie! It is equally false to say that St. Louis has culture. Anything "outside the lines" in St. Louis is looked down upon. If your ideal place is a white-bread, homogenistic, strip mall loving drone factory- the STL suburbs are the place for you. In my view, people in STL are always feeling inferior to Chicago, ( rightfully so). The norm is soccer moms driving their Yukon XL, or on the other end of the spectrum, mullet headed white trash and their Def Leopard tattoos , not to mention the unfortunate black population who, frankly are not doing their race any favors ( RE the post about the Belleville School Bus Beatings).
I have lived in many different places, ( Washington, Montana, Minnesota, even Tennessee) and never have I experienced a population of people so shallow, desperately conservative, and possessing a complete lack of identity.
RUN AWAY!!!

[BoomBoxing]

^^Yeah that was helpful. Your screename certainly fits. When your only argument is in ridiculous stereotypes then you know you have no ground to stand on. The only thing I'll agree with is the homogenistic nature of the suburbs which is probably true of most cities.

[inahandbasket]

Originally Posted by grubbyhubby

I am from St. Louis, born and raised. My wife is from Minneapolis. GO TO MINNEAPOLIS!
I lived in MN for 9 years and I have to say; St. Louis sucks!!
To say that crime is only concentrated in a few North County towns is an outright lie! It is equally false to say that St. Louis has culture. Anything "outside the lines" in St. Louis is looked down upon. If your ideal place is a white-bread, homogenistic, strip mall loving drone factory- the STL suburbs are the place for you. In my view, people in STL are always feeling inferior to Chicago, ( rightfully so). The norm is soccer moms driving their Yukon XL, or on the other end of the spectrum, mullet headed white trash and their Def Leopard tattoos , not to mention the unfortunate black population who, frankly are not doing their race any favors ( RE the post about the Belleville School Bus Beatings).
I have lived in many different places, ( Washington, Montana, Minnesota, even Tennessee) and never have I experienced a population of people so shallow, desperately conservative, and possessing a complete lack of identity.
RUN AWAY!!!

If you live in the suburbs of just about ANY US city, it's very difficult to tell one suburb from another. Same strip malls, big box stores along the interstate. No difference from coast to coast.

No culture in St. Louis?

St. Louis Symphony Orchestra
STL Art Museum
STL History Museum
The City Museum
The Kemper Museum @ Washington University
STL Science Center
The Museum of Western Expansion @ the Arch
The Magic House
COCA
The Loretto Hilton @ Webster University
Independent Film Series @ Webster University
Laumeier Sculpture Park
Missouri Botanical Garden
The Griot Museum of Black History and Culture
The Butterfly House
Cahokia Mounds
Holocaust and Learning Center
Scott Joplin House
STL Walk of Fame on the Loop
Sheldon Art Gallery
Soldiers Memorial & Military Museum
The Cathedral Basilica

.... to name a few...

I've lived in many places just like you. Soccer moms and mullets are not exclusive to the STL area.

Sounds like you need to move into the city to be closer to culture. That's what my partner and I will be doing in a couple of years specifically to be closer to most of the above places.

You obviously don't like your immediate area. The St. Louis suburbs are no worse than any other typical suburban area.

inahandbasket

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by grubbyhubby

I am from St. Louis, born and raised. My wife is from Minneapolis. GO TO MINNEAPOLIS!
I lived in MN for 9 years and I have to say; St. Louis sucks!!
To say that crime is only concentrated in a few North County towns is an outright lie! It is equally false to say that St. Louis has culture. Anything "outside the lines" in St. Louis is looked down upon. If your ideal place is a white-bread, homogenistic, strip mall loving drone factory- the STL suburbs are the place for you. In my view, people in STL are always feeling inferior to Chicago, ( rightfully so). The norm is soccer moms driving their Yukon XL, or on the other end of the spectrum, mullet headed white trash and their Def Leopard tattoos , not to mention the unfortunate black population who, frankly are not doing their race any favors ( RE the post about the Belleville School Bus Beatings).
I have lived in many different places, ( Washington, Montana, Minnesota, even Tennessee) and never have I experienced a population of people so shallow, desperately conservative, and possessing a complete lack of identity.
RUN AWAY!!!

My, much sweeping generalization and negativity.
As far as culture is concerned, you must not be looking for any, as its EVERYWHERE in STL.
You are going to find people with mullets everywhere, its the official state 'do here in Florida, how could you not know that??????
Shallow is everywhere too, just in case you were not aware of that, either.
Calm down, take a deep breath, and stop hating on STL, your venom is unwarranted, and not appreciated.