Conservative St. Louis

[imedfan]

goat 314-I'm responding to the original question..I'm not dabbling in the debate that's going on here.
The person posting the question is looking for a particular area for HIS FAMILY.
It has nothing to do with whether these areas represent STL.
I've lived here 36 years...I know that.
I'm simply giving him/her some areas that may suit his/her lifestyle

[mjtinmemphis]

Originally Posted by bilikins

I've only lived here for a few months, but St. Louis seems a lot more moderate than the cities I've lived in previously.

My husband and I attended college in Boston, and I can tell you that whether St. Louis is conservative or not, it is a LOT more tolerant of conservative ideas. I think the same is true of the midwest in general. My family and I have definitely had a good experience here so far.

I would definately agree with that statement.

When looking at our nation as a whole, Considering the liberal coastal cities with the small towns in rural georgia. One can even spend time in Memphis or Nashville Tn. and find a city that is alot more conservative than any midwestern town.

[ajf131]

St. Louis and St. Louis County are liberal, no matter how conservative they are. Plain and simple. The nation-wide leaders as well as state officials that St. Louis and St. Louis County have voted for for overall the past two decades have been democrats. So the conservative argument cannot be made. St. Louis was listed as the 20th most liberal city by sources like govpro and the 220th most conservative out of 240 cities. St. Louis is as liberal I'd say as other Midwestern cities like Chicago, Milwaukee, the Twin Cities, or Cleveland. That much I can say for certain.

[goat314]

Originally Posted by ajf131

St. Louis and St. Louis County are liberal, no matter how conservative they are. Plain and simple. The nation-wide leaders as well as state officials that St. Louis and St. Louis County have voted for for overall the past two decades have been democrats. So the conservative argument cannot be made. St. Louis was listed as the 20th most liberal city by sources like govpro and the 220th most conservative out of 240 cities. St. Louis is as liberal I'd say as other Midwestern cities like Chicago, Milwaukee, the Twin Cities, or Cleveland. That much I can say for certain.

Now thats the truth most of these forumers dont want to hear about St. Louis

[slengel]

there are liberals and conservatives everywhere, and st. louis is no exception. case in point:

high profile conservatives sean hannity, bill o'reilly, ann coulter and peter pace are all natives of new york city. new york city. and you can't get much more conservative than these people.

mitt romney is from boston (by way of detroit).

john ashcroft was born and educated in chicago.

and bill clinton is from arkansas.

it is stupid and pointless to paint major cities with such a broad brush. they all have plenty of every persuasion under the sun. conservatives and liberals can feel comfortable in any metropolitan area in the country and find vibrant communities of people just like them.

[anduarto]

Having grown up in St.Louis and relocated to the east coast, I have to agree with the assessment of St.Louis as moderate city that looks wildly liberal compared to the rural parts of the state.

But it's also true, as someone pointed out, that blanket statements about any region tend to miss the mark. I mean Boonville in rural Missouri had an openly gay mayor for years. Kind'a throws a wretch in the conventional wisdom, doesn't it?

Generally though the further away from the city you get the more conservative you'll find places. Although, I am surprised by the depiction of St. Louis County as necessarily conservative. Yes, the far South County has struck me that way but Webster Groves, Kirkwood, University City, Clayton have all struck me as moderate to liberal. Even Creve Coeur, Maryland Heights seem like moderate to mildly liberal enclaves... at least socially.

I'm also surprised that so many posters on this site feel that voting democratic is a sign of liberalism. The democratic party is mostly a moderate party, not a leftist one. There is no substantial leftist party in the United States.

[northbayeric]

As someone who has lived in both Missouri and California, the Democrat Party in California is much further to the left than the Democratic Party in rural Missouri. You will not find any Democrat here who resembles Congressman Ike Skelton, for instance. He is pro-life and pro-military. Not one Democrat at the national or state level here in California is that way at all.

The Green Party actually has a majority on the Sebastopol and Arcata City Councils. Sebastopol is next to Santa Rosa, about 60 miles north of San Francisco; and Arcata is next to Eureka, much further north along the coast.

A number of Democrat U.S. Congressmembers from California such as Pete Stark, Barbara Lee and Lynn Woolsey have voting records that are further to the left than Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, who is a self-described socialist. CA Senator Barbara Boxer's voting record, similarly, is at least as leftist as Sanders'. They all identify much more with Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez than they do with most of their fellow members on the other side of the aisle. Anyway, it's a whole different world here in California politically than in the Show Me State, except in the inner cities to some extent.

[JClark1]

Some people need remember that Democrat does not necessarily mean liberal. I dont live in St. Louis, I live in Memphis and the county I live in voted 60%/40% in favor of Kerry, but in no way does that make it a liberal place. First, we have to consider that the county is 50% black. Most of the black ppl I know are Democrats, but are socially conservative. This is because most of them belong to conservative Baptist, COGIC, etc churches. I'm sure it's a similar case in St. Louis. In Memphis, there are a few socially liberal places like Midtown, but for the most part it is conservative even though it's mostly Democrat. Many working class people that some would consider "rednecks" vote Democrat because they associate Republicans with the rich. Those "rednecks" are definately not liberal. Many working class people in St. Louis probably think similarly, although I know that St. Louis is more liberal than Memphis.

[goat314]

Originally Posted by JClark1

Some people need remember that Democrat does not necessarily mean liberal. I dont live in St. Louis, I live in Memphis and the county I live in voted 60%/40% in favor of Kerry, but in no way does that make it a liberal place. First, we have to consider that the county is 50% black. Most of the black ppl I know are Democrats, but are socially conservative. This is because most of them belong to conservative Baptist, COGIC, etc churches. I'm sure it's a similar case in St. Louis. In Memphis, there are a few socially liberal places like Midtown, but for the most part it is conservative even though it's mostly Democrat. Many working class people that some would consider "rednecks" vote Democrat because they associate Republicans with the rich. Those "rednecks" are definately not liberal. Many working class people in St. Louis probably think similarly, although I know that St. Louis is more liberal than Memphis.

Yeah the city of St. Louis is like 90% democrat and the county is mostly democratic too, but I'm not sure what the numbers are. The St. Louis area is consistently the only democratic stronghold in the state of Missouri. As far as social conservative blacks in St. Louis, I don't think the blacks in St. Louis are that social conservative at all (but I aint speaking for everybody)! I'm Black and my family is not socially conservative by any means and when we moved to the South we noticed that the Blacks were a lot more socially conservative, but that may be because of the social history of the Southern blacks. A lot of Southern Blacks that moved up North during the Great Migration to cities like St. Louis, Chicago, Detroit, and Cleveland left to escape forced social conservatism and seeking factory jobs in Northern cities. My Grandfather was born in a small town in Tennessee, but left at an infant age seeking better advantages in St. Louis, while many of his siblings found their way to Chicago. Many of his more complacent family members stayed in Tennessee.