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Old 04-26-2010, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Shaw Neighborhood, St. Louis City
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Hey now! I'm pushing 40!
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Old 04-26-2010, 08:45 PM
 
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Hey now! I'm pushing 40!
I'm just pointing out general trends I have seen. Just that there is a huge generation gap in attitudes where the views that have really held the area back are not present in younger generations. It could result in seeing some much needed changes that would work out in the long run.
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Old 04-26-2010, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Edwardsville, IL
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What I notice is that in terms of attitudes, there is a huge generation gap as well. The pessimists seem to be older than 30-35 while the optimists tend to be younger. It just seems like the younger adults tend not to have the destructive baggage that older people have. I have noticed most of the stereotypical St. Louis attitudes fall apart when you deal with people younger than 30-35 or so.

That is absolute bull****. My wife and I are 40 and are not only extremely active and in better shape than most 20-somethings here, we love interaction with younger folks because of the positive energy/dynamics. We hit many festivals of beer and music every year. And we are the first ones to call out the stupidity and ludicrousness of "Where'd you go to high school? What parish are you in? Do you know so and so?" blah blah blah. Maybe you're thinking certain pockets of stodgy, hyper-conservative 50+ somethings? You know, the same neighborhood, church, food, clothes, doctor, car make, etc. for 50 years?

Exactly what is the "destructive baggage" you are referring to?

Check yourself before labeling an age demographic. 40 is the new 20 .

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Old 04-27-2010, 12:41 AM
 
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That is absolute bull****. My wife and I are 40 and are not only extremely active and in better shape than most 20-somethings here, we love interaction with younger folks because of the positive energy/dynamics. We hit many festivals of beer and music every year. And we are the first ones to call out the stupidity and ludicrousness of "Where'd you go to high school? What parish are you in? Do you know so and so?" blah blah blah. Maybe you're thinking certain pockets of stodgy, hyper-conservative 50+ somethings? You know, the same neighborhood, church, food, clothes, doctor, car make, etc. for 50 years?

Exactly what is the "destructive baggage" you are referring to?

Check yourself before labeling an age demographic. 40 is the new 20 .

I think you are right. I just was not sure where the dividing line is in attitudes. I am thinking its more post-babyboomer generation that is different and couldn't figure where the change is.

The destructive baggage I am referring to is the more insular, somewhat xenophobic nature that can pop up which you somewhat stated which is very destructive. It is no coincidence that things are showing better signs of improvment now that the older generations are moving on and younger generations are starting to gain power and not looking back at the past and trying to maintain a local economy on what it was decades ago which will only lead in a downward spiral.
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Old 04-27-2010, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Clayton, MO
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What I notice is that in terms of attitudes, there is a huge generation gap as well. The pessimists seem to be older than 30-35 while the optimists tend to be younger. It just seems like the younger adults tend not to have the destructive baggage that older people have. I have noticed most of the stereotypical St. Louis attitudes fall apart when you deal with people younger than 30-35 or so.
I agree
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Old 04-28-2010, 01:28 PM
 
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You generalized the "ugly" STL people. I suggest you seriously think about moving out West County if you are that miserable.
I would love to move. If you knew the creeps we have had to live around you would understand.
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Old 04-28-2010, 01:45 PM
 
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That is absolute bull****. My wife and I are 40 and are not only extremely active and in better shape than most 20-somethings here, we love interaction with younger folks because of the positive energy/dynamics. We hit many festivals of beer and music every year. And we are the first ones to call out the stupidity and ludicrousness of "Where'd you go to high school? What parish are you in? Do you know so and so?" blah blah blah. Maybe you're thinking certain pockets of stodgy, hyper-conservative 50+ somethings? You know, the same neighborhood, church, food, clothes, doctor, car make, etc. for 50 years?

Exactly what is the "destructive baggage" you are referring to?

Check yourself before labeling an age demographic. 40 is the new 20 .
I need to let it fly, and if you knew what we have had to endure from the locals (mainly neighbors) you would understand the anger and frustration.

I can't tell you how many times I have been asked the questions you are referring to. I call them weeding out questions. If one can't answer the questions correctly then you are an outsider, and very much treated poorly.

I've been asked many times what HS I attended. I'm in my 50's with two college degrees. What does HS have to do with anything? But I must say this; many who ask this question still possess the maturity level of a high schooler.
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Old 04-28-2010, 02:24 PM
 
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I need to let it fly, and if you knew what we have had to endure from the locals (mainly neighbors) you would understand the anger and frustration.

I can't tell you how many times I have been asked the questions you are referring to. I call them weeding out questions. If one can't answer the questions correctly then you are an outsider, and very much treated poorly.

I've been asked many times what HS I attended. I'm in my 50's with two college degrees. What does HS have to do with anything? But I must say this; many who ask this question still possess the maturity level of a high schooler.
Yeah, I hate it two. I love tellling them my first high school (in Seattle) and the look they give is priceless!
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Old 04-28-2010, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Edwardsville, IL
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I would love to move. If you knew the creeps we have had to live around you would understand.
We agree with you, to an extent. There are a lot of "quirky" people here, mainly ones that act quite arrogant and elitist when they would pretty much get their @ss handed to them in several other cities/regions. This is from someone who has spent time in 38 of the 50 United States.

We don't hate it here, but we also ultimately want to move out West, to Colorado, Utah, New Mexico or Wyoming. We enjoy the sunny skies, the mountains, the clean/dry air, the active/healthy lifestyles and overall more positive and educated dynamic.

Having said that, while you're stuck here, surely there must be a hobby or activity that you enjoy and can join others in the area that share your interests. We joined running and cycling organizations and, not surprisingly, met some very nice and upbeat folks, many of whom are not natives and don't give two ****s about HS, church, zip code, baseball, pre-tax income, etc.

Try to hang out with younger and/or educated people as well, as there are fewer insular tools in that demographic, and you won't have to deal with the xenophobic paranoia.
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Old 04-28-2010, 05:54 PM
 
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Yeah, I hate it two. I love tellling them my first high school (in Seattle) and the look they give is priceless!
They don't know what Seattle means...
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