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Old 10-15-2010, 05:50 AM
 
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Yes- you should be more specific. The public sector is merely a single, narrow slice of the job market pie, here in Central New York.

Manufacturing jobs have been moved to undeveloped nations, almost en masse, from all over the country in the past several decades. Fortunately, we have stopped crying in our cornflakes and turned our attention elsewhere... to being an area focused on healthcare provision, higher education (you went to school here, right?) and green technology. The downtown is undergoing enormous change, in a great direction- there are hundreds of new "loft-chic" apartments and condos in the heart of the city and plans for many more. New retail businesses, buildings going UP, a renewed sense of the city life to be had... and people WANT them and are demanding more.

And if you were actually HERE, you would see that very clearly.

Oh wait- what's this? A post from RollsRoyce on August 19th:

According to the State Labor Department, Syracuse was the only major upstate metro area to experience positive job growth over a 12 month period from July 2009 to July 2010. The Syracuse MSA, which includes Onondaga, Madison and Oswego counties gained 1,200 non farm jobs or +0.4% of the area's jobs base in the last year. The government sector actually lost 400 jobs, while the private sector, an essential indicator of a vibrant economy added 1,700 jobs or +0.7%. To be sure, the job growth is certainly anemic and does not reflect some likely layoffs at New Process Gear. Syracuse seems to be holding steady, especially in light of a reversal in the economic recovery in nearby Western New York. The Buffalo area lost 1,900 jobs while the Rochester area shed 6,000 jobs over the same period in which Syracuse registered modest job growth.


http://www.labor.ny.gov/pressrelease...aug19_2010.pdf

The only Upstate metro to record job growth? Interesting... "anemic" aka "prudent decisions by executives to create lasting jobs and not just explode, willy-nilly, then have to lay off those same employees." (DestiNY, anyone?) A sustainable increase in jobs... and the only upstate metro to record ANY growth, much less this stable growth? Oh yeah- Syracuse is just terrible. <--sarcasm.

I don't know why the general public should be upset about losing unncessesary "public servants" who have enjoyed pretty spectacular benefits and pay, especially for unskilled labor. That just raises our taxes... we didn't need so many in the first place.

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Old 10-15-2010, 06:42 AM
 
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By saying "syracuse" i was implying the "public sector" Considering the hemorrhaging of private-sector and manufacturing jobs from the area over the last several decades, it should have been a given, but next time I will be more specific.



Can you you back that statement up. All I've read in the news the last few years are stories like Syracuse China closing up, the crucible factory laying off works, issues with Magna/NPG etc. I don't read nearly enough stories about the public-sector being trimmed down to match.

There has been a trend nationally for more union jobs to be in the public-sector, rather than the private one:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/23/business/23labor.html
You have to think beyond the manufacturing base. Think about companies like Syracuse Research, Lockheed Martin, Sensis, Anaren, Time Warner, the many hospitals/health centers, the colleges/universities and even smaller manufacturing companies. Proulx posting a previous post by RollsRoyce shows that the area is recreating itself. Those that live here can see that.
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Old 10-17-2010, 09:37 PM
 
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The logical problem with basing a regional economy on "eds and meds" is that those sectors don't tend to bring in much money from outside any given region. Since money always flows out of any given region due to generalized consumption of Chinese manufactured goods and Wall Street financial "products", any region needs some sort of draw to counterbalance these inevitable outflows.

It seems CNY (especially when drawn widely to encompass Cornell, Oswego, Colgate, Cortland) does certainly draw more students from outside the region than it exports. Is that the foundation for growth?
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Old 10-18-2010, 06:45 AM
 
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The logical problem with basing a regional economy on "eds and meds" is that those sectors don't tend to bring in much money from outside any given region. Since money always flows out of any given region due to generalized consumption of Chinese manufactured goods and Wall Street financial "products", any region needs some sort of draw to counterbalance these inevitable outflows.

It seems CNY (especially when drawn widely to encompass Cornell, Oswego, Colgate, Cortland) does certainly draw more students from outside the region than it exports. Is that the foundation for growth?
Well, the economy is more diversified than just "eds and meds". For instance, the region has the second biggest insurance/risk management industry east of the Mississippi River(Hartford CT area is most likely the biggest). There are companies that are in the engineering industry. This website shows other industries that are big in the area: Central New York Jobs
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