Home for $25,000 (Syracuse, Clay, Manlius: high crime, homes, college)

[km5er]

Ok...I have seen homes online in the Fulton and Oswego areas for 25K. Are these homes in getto areas or are they in decent areas? If in decent areas seems they would be good fix-er-uppers?

Also I have seen land for $1000 per acre...is this possible?

Any comments are appreciated.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by km5er

Ok...I have seen homes online in the Fulton and Oswego areas for 25K. Are these homes in getto areas or are they in decent areas? If in decent areas seems they would be good fix-er-uppers?

Also I have seen land for $1000 per acre...is this possible?

Any comments are appreciated.

They are most likely fixer uppers. Both cities don't have any high crime areas. So,it might be in a poorer part of town, but I wouldn't say that those cities have a notorious reputation for having any high crime areas.

[proulxfamily]

Such homes do exist in those areas... probably fixers or VERY rural. The area has a reputation of being "country as heck" :P , whether there's much ring of truth to it or not. $1000/acre wouldn't be a joke either. You might even find land for less... just not in highly populated areas. The more a developer might be willing to pay for land, the more expensive it will be. That's not too frequent, in rural areas.

[Dreamshot]

Oswego County is quite rural and has its share of "bumpkins." I go to SUNY Oswego and will say that there are not any outwardly ghetto areas in Oswego or Fulton for that matter. Oswego students and Oswegonians do tend to make fun of Fultonians for lacking culture and social grace if you will. I would say that Oswego tends to be SLIGHTLY more upscale than Fulton, but that isn't saying much - has something to do with the college being there. Both cities have Walmarts and Oswego a Price Chopper. If one needs something else, neither city is a far ride from Onondaga County - Syracuse. [Fulton 26 miles, Oswego 36 miles]. I'm sure the EXTREMELY unattractive weather plays into these prices, as well as the fact that, aside from the SUNY, there is little in the way of job opportunities in the county. Was a bit of a culture shock coming from the Lower Hudson Valley, but I've come to like the greater Syracuse area and have learned quite a bit in maneuvering it.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by Dreamshot

Oswego County is quite rural and has its share of "bumpkins." I go to SUNY Oswego and will say that there are not any outwardly ghetto areas in Oswego or Fulton for that matter. Oswego students and Oswegonians do tend to make fun of Fultonians for lacking culture and social grace if you will. I would say that Oswego tends to be SLIGHTLY more upscale than Fulton, but that isn't saying much - has something to do with the college being there. Both cities have Walmarts and Oswego a Price Chopper. If one needs something else, neither city is a far ride from Onondaga County - Syracuse. [Fulton 26 miles, Oswego 36 miles]. I'm sure the EXTREMELY unattractive weather plays into these prices, as well as the fact that, aside from the SUNY, there is little in the way of job opportunities in the county. Was a bit of a culture shock coming from the Lower Hudson Valley, but I've come to like the greater Syracuse area and have learned quite a bit in maneuvering it.

True...Many people from Oswego County go to the Route 31 corridor in the town of Clay for a lot of shopping. That's why that area is always packed with cars on the weekends and during the holidays. It's not far from either city at all.

[RollsRoyce]

Originally Posted by Dreamshot

Oswego County is quite rural and has its share of "bumpkins." I go to SUNY Oswego and will say that there are not any outwardly ghetto areas in Oswego or Fulton for that matter. Oswego students and Oswegonians do tend to make fun of Fultonians for lacking culture and social grace if you will. I would say that Oswego tends to be SLIGHTLY more upscale than Fulton, but that isn't saying much - has something to do with the college being there. Both cities have Walmarts and Oswego a Price Chopper. If one needs something else, neither city is a far ride from Onondaga County - Syracuse. [Fulton 26 miles, Oswego 36 miles]. I'm sure the EXTREMELY unattractive weather plays into these prices, as well as the fact that, aside from the SUNY, there is little in the way of job opportunities in the county. Was a bit of a culture shock coming from the Lower Hudson Valley, but I've come to like the greater Syracuse area and have learned quite a bit in maneuvering it.

As someone who grew up in Westchester County and went to college in CNY, culture shock is very relative. The Syracuse suburbs of Fayetteville, Manlius, Cazenovia, Jamesville, and Skaneateles have little in common with Oswego County demographically. The size and quality of homes, educational attainment, income, and occupations of residents in these suburbs is highly comprable to the more desirable communities in major metropolitan areas. Interestingly enough, there are many communities in the mid-Hudson valley (Orange and Dutchess Counties) that are nouveau middle class and unattractive. Driving the Route 9 corridor in Southern Dutchess and Putnam County as well as the area near Woodbury Commons, I'm amazed at the sheer number of Tony Soprano reincarnations from New Jersey and the five boroughs that couldn't afford to live in Westchester or Bergen counties.

[Dreamshot]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

True...Many people from Oswego County go to the Route 31 corridor in the town of Clay for a lot of shopping. That's why that area is always packed with cars on the weekends and during the holidays. It's not far from either city at all.

I pretty much come to Clay for all shopping, as do many other SUNY Oswego students. One thing that I really like about the area is having access to Wegmans, which I don't have when I'm home (but I do have access to Trader Joes / Whole Foods). I'd trade Shoprite/Stop N' Shop/Hannaford for a Wegmans any day.

[Dreamshot]

Originally Posted by RollsRoyce

As someone who grew up in Westchester County and went to college in CNY, culture shock is very relative. The Syracuse suburbs of Fayetteville, Manlius, Cazenovia, Jamesville, and Skaneateles have little in common with Oswego County demographically. The size and quality of homes, educational attainment, income, and occupations of residents in these suburbs is highly comprable to the more desirable communities in major metropolitan areas. Interestingly enough, there are many communities in the mid-Hudson valley (Orange and Dutchess Counties) that are nouveau middle class and unattractive. Driving the Route 9 corridor in Southern Dutchess and Putnam County as well as the area near Woodbury Commons, I'm amazed at the sheer number of Tony Soprano reincarnations from New Jersey and the five boroughs that couldn't afford to live in Westchester or Bergen counties.

I agree, Onondaga County has its share of upscale communities, similar to those found in Rockland, Westchester, or Bergen Counties. There is an abrupt difference when one crosses over the Oneida River into Oswego County, though, and I should have been more clear - that is where the culture shock occurs. Quite different from what I was used to, at least initially. Regardless, I escape to Onondaga County for all of the modern amenities that I would have at home. Heck, they even have a Chipotle now!

[RollsRoyce]

Originally Posted by Dreamshot

I agree, Onondaga County has its share of upscale communities, similar to those found in Rockland, Westchester, or Bergen Counties. There is an abrupt difference when one crosses over the Oneida River into Oswego County, though, and I should have been more clear - that is where the culture shock occurs. Quite different from what I was used to, at least initially. Regardless, I escape to Onondaga County for all of the modern amenities that I would have at home. Heck, they even have a Chipotle now!

I definitely agree. To be fair, there are many nice parts of the mid Hudson Valley (ie Rhinebeck, Millbrook, Hyde Park, Tuxedo Park, LaGrange (area near Taconic), East Fishkill, and Spackenkill among others. I also like some of the more exurban communities like Warwick. The people are also much nicer than in Westchester.

Have you ever been to Minetto (stretch of Route 48 north of Fulton and south of the city of Oswego and west of the Oswego River)? It's a very nice area and pretty upscale by the Oswego Country Club and areas fronting the Oswego River. I actually looked at the 2009 American Community Survey Estimates and 38% of residents had a Bachelor's Degree or higher and median household income was $61,000, both above the national average which is pretty impressive considering the surrounding communities. Southwest Oswego is also solidly middle to upper middle class.

[Dreamshot]

Originally Posted by RollsRoyce

I definitely agree. To be fair, there are many nice parts of the mid Hudson Valley (ie Rhinebeck, Millbrook, Hyde Park, Tuxedo Park, LaGrange (area near Taconic), East Fishkill, and Spackenkill among others. I also like some of the more exurban communities like Warwick. The people are also much nicer than in Westchester.

Have you ever been to Minetto (stretch of Route 48 north of Fulton and south of the city of Oswego and west of the Oswego River)? It's a very nice area and pretty upscale by the Oswego Country Club and areas fronting the Oswego River. I actually looked at the 2009 American Community Survey Estimates and 38% of residents had a Bachelor's Degree or higher and median household income was $61,000, both above the national average which is pretty impressive considering the surrounding communities. Southwest Oswego is also solidly middle to upper middle class.

Yep, we go through Minetto when the traffic is bad in the City of Oswego and wait to cross the river in Fulton. There are some nice riverfront homes in Minetto. Only thing there is a Stewart's, though. I believe a lot of SUNY professors live in Minetto, which may account for the higher-than-average income and degree holders. Gray Road, at the Northern edge of Minetto, is supposedly haunted [When traveling on it at night (no lights at all on the road) your car may break down and all in the car will go missing, courtesy of a girl who died on the road a ways back].

A quick tidbit...Minetto is actually the newest town/place in Oswego County, established in 1912...