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Old 04-23-2012, 02:04 PM
 
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Same here, I am finding that too, the "low-cost" are actually a bit more expensive in some cases. I don't find Southwest to be a "bargain" at all.

As far as Syracuse is concerned, I have actually found US airways to be competitive with or cheaper than Jetblue on some flights. The nice thing, there are two non-stops from Orlando to Syracuse. The merger of American into US airways might benefit Syracuse since it has a "major" presence.

I have not flown US airways to Syracuse in a while (mostly Jetblue), they used to have a direct flight from Syracuse from Tampa where it stopped in Pittsburgh then on to Syracuse which is almost as convenient.

I had always wanted to fly Southwest after reading so many glowing case studies on their business model, profitability, and relative success in a very challenging industry. Despite having the option of chosing more expensive airlines, I purposely flew Southwest from Philadelphia to Tampa for a business trip. While I found their flight crew to be very nice in addition to the ticket agents at the airport, the aircraft I flew was very dated and lacked some of the amenities found on Delta, US Airways, and obviously JetBlue. It would be nice to see them add service in Syracuse, but I'm not holding my breath, particuarly with the acquistion of AirTran. Southwest has already dropped some markets that were served by AirTran.

Despite having limited direct flight options (when compared to similiar sized airports and cities), Syracuse is now the only airport in NYS outside of New York City that still has direct service to Cincinnati. Rochester, Albany, Buffalo, and White Plains had direct flights to the Delta hub until a year or two ago. Hopefully Hancock will be able to keep that flight.
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Old 04-25-2012, 12:11 PM
 
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Tale of two cities, Detroit and Las Vegas...

Vanishing City: The Story Behind Detroit

Is Sin City turning into the Motor City? - CSMonitor.com

Remember the old saying, what is good for GM is good for the country? Detroit focused solely on manufacturing, then lost sight of quality. Las Vegas was the only "game in town", now gaming is everywhere! Today, foreign manufacturers dot the US landscape and gaming will come back -but in other places. In both cases, the financial crisis didn't help.

I don't think either city has the resources or the will to change.

Syracuse does and is changing for the better!
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Old 04-25-2012, 02:10 PM
 
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Those were good stories, I wish they were longer.

Looking at old pictures of Detroit is something I do from time to time, some good videos of it on Youtube.

I knew unions killed Detroit, I did not know they killed LV also, interesting.

An economy based on gaming is kinda scary. Its easily one of the biggest employers in the Syracuse area and by far in the Oneida area.. I do not gamble myself but am at the casino and racino pretty often for dinner and shows. I've been to both in the last two weeks and they are packed, which is good but at the same time sad. And it doesn't really create wealth, just distributes it.
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Old 04-25-2012, 02:27 PM
 
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Those were good stories, I wish they were longer.

Looking at old pictures of Detroit is something I do from time to time, some good videos of it on Youtube.

I knew unions killed Detroit, I did not know they killed LV also, interesting.

An economy based on gaming is kinda scary. Its easily one of the biggest employers in the Syracuse area and by far in the Oneida area.. I do not gamble myself but am at the casino and racino pretty often for dinner and shows. I've been to both in the last two weeks and they are packed, which is good but at the same time sad. And it doesn't really create wealth, just distributes it.

I was initially surprised to see that Las Vegas had a very high private sector unionization rate, however in many ways it's not surprising; hotels and large casinos tend to be heavily unionized.

Just saw in The Post-Standard yesterday that Vernon Downs landed a Bruce Springsteen Concert. Not necessarily a big fan of Springsteen, but getting an artist of his caliber is a big coup for Vernon Downs which always struggles to attract the big name acts that perform at nearby Turning Stone.
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Old 04-25-2012, 02:55 PM
 
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Tickets are like 110 bucks, I was a fan years ago but 110 bucks worth?? Not so much.

I was at the racino a couple weeks ago to see the Average White Band. They were really good though very few original members.

Over all we are pretty luck to get this kind of talent in such a small area. Glen Campbell was actual there last weekend. I wanted to go but it sold out before I had a chance.
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:26 PM
 
Location: 213, 310, 562, 909, 951, 952, 315, ???
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Primus is playing Landmark and Godsmack is playing the War Memorial in May. Of course they are both on week nights, but I am just happy to see acts come to town.
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Old 04-25-2012, 04:49 PM
 
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Primus is playing Landmark and Godsmack is playing the War Memorial in May. Of course they are both on week nights, but I am just happy to see acts come to town.
Godsmack is good.
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:02 PM
 
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Tickets are like 110 bucks, I was a fan years ago but 110 bucks worth?? Not so much.

I was at the racino a couple weeks ago to see the Average White Band. They were really good though very few original members.

Over all we are pretty luck to get this kind of talent in such a small area. Glen Campbell was actual there last weekend. I wanted to go but it sold out before I had a chance.
For Bruce? I think they start at $45. No way I'll defend the pricing of concerts, but we were interested in seeing Springsteen at the Verizon Center on his last tour. Then we found out that the only available tickets were something like $325. By comparison, under $50 for an outdoor show seems a pretty good deal.

By the way, Sean, I agree with your point in the previous post: gaming isn't a wealth generator. It's simply a redistributor, and some of the people from whom that money is redistributed can really ill-afford it. It's a zero-sum game, and any benefits associated with Turning Stone are negated by the social costs of its presence in the Mohawk Valley.

Thankfully, Syracuse has no such gaming presence. With luck, it'll stay that way (though I'm not holding my breath).
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:41 PM
 
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Tickets are 108$ each, but 2 bucks go to charity. They expect to sell 30K which makes it a 3 million dollar day.

http://www.vernondowns.com/events/concerts.php

While by 1 miles its in the Utica area I'd say Turning Screw was all Syracuse's baby. Certainly calling it the Mohawk Valley doesn't make sense as the Valley hasn't started yet, Greater Utica area perhaps.
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:47 PM
 
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Tickets are 108$ each, but 2 bucks go to charity. They expect to sell 30K which makes it a 3 million dollar day.

Vernon Downs Casino Racing & Entertainment - Concerts

While by 1 miles its in the Utica area I say Turning Screw was all Syracuse's baby. Certainly calling it the Mohawk Valley doesn't make sense as the Valley hasn't started yet, Great Utica area perhaps.
Wow, I stand corrected. Sorry - serves me right for taking my information from a Post-Standard article.

Mine was kind of a loose definition of the Mohawk Valley, I guess. Wiki has that region including Oneida County, but am I correct in thinking that the casino is in Madison County?
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