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Old 07-07-2012, 05:35 AM
 
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I think Sean has told the same story about 80 times. Anyways, Syracuse used to suck, but when 1.4 billion dollars is being invested in downtown Syracuse with a potential increase of 10 thousand jobs or more; makes it sound a littleore appealing. Undoubtedly, the south is no longer thriving like it used to and the jobs that are produced in the south are very low paying jobs compared to the north. Unfortunately, places like Atlanta has been suffering with a 10 plus unemployment rate;Florida, even worse . Sadly, many people who degrade Syracuse live in the past and know little of its future. All in all, Syracuse still may not be for you. My problem with suburban Syracuse is that it is not very densely populated. Other minor problems I have with Syracuse is that there is a lot of woods, phone lines on streets, not enough sidewalks, and government land is almost never cut and kept care of. Simply, it is Syracuse's cosmetics that hurts it the most. However, with such a large investment (1.4 billion), hopefully, Syracuse's tax base grows and those services become more available.
This the kinda batchit crazy post that makes me post in a crazy inflammatory manner for amusement purposes.

But I have to admit part of that is based on assumptions. Like that someone posting on an innerweb forum has access to the innerweb. And that Goggle is available to them. And that BLS sites open on that computer. All of these things may not be true.

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I'm not one to believe the BLS plays funny money with the stats but if they did wouldn't NY get most favored state status as a 100% lock in the current crowds camp?? Or is because Florida is a swing state?? I gotta go make a tin foil hat just to keep typing along these lines. Or am I not seeing Florida and NY both tied at 8.6%?? And #40 at that.

And 10K new jobs?? At the mall?? And even this is a toss cause those aren't "new" jobs they are just taken from the suburban malls. And since the new mall doesn't pay any taxes I bet they can cut some sweet deals.

And 1.4 billion buckaroo's?? Its all just government money. Which means it was taken from somewhere else. And since NY does not have the power to tax other states it was taken from other NYer's. So hard working NYer's had 1.4 billion dollars stolen from them and sent to a city they had already voted with there feet they wanted dead and this is the key to economic recovery?? I don't think it is and I think its actually the key to how we got in the mess we are in now.

Everything I'm seeing in play now is the exact same stuff I have watched go on for decades. Its sweet to see the flower of youth think its all new and this time by god its gonna work. But its the same old crap.

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Old 07-07-2012, 06:18 AM
 
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I think Sean has told the same story about 80 times. Anyways, Syracuse used to suck, but when 1.4 billion dollars is being invested in downtown Syracuse with a potential increase of 10 thousand jobs or more; makes it sound a littleore appealing. Undoubtedly, the south is no longer thriving like it used to and the jobs that are produced in the south are very low paying jobs compared to the north. Unfortunately, places like Atlanta has been suffering with a 10 plus unemployment rate; Florida, even worse. Sadly, many people who degrade Syracuse live in the past and know little of its future. All in all, Syracuse still may not be for you. My problem with suburban Syracuse is that it is not very densely populated. Other minor problems I have with Syracuse is that there is a lot of woods, phone lines on streets, not enough sidewalks, and government land is almost never cut and kept care of. Simply, it is Syracuse's cosmetics that hurts it the most. However, with such a large investment (1.4 billion), hopefully, Syracuse's tax base grows and those services become more available.
With the exception of sidewalks - I love sidewalks - all the problems you listed are things I love about it. lol
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Old 07-07-2012, 08:16 AM
 
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@ Sean: Florida sees an increase in the summer since there are more people traveling there and are in need of more employees. However, Florida has terrible paying jobs and lack high tech jobs. If you really take a look at what is going on in Albany and in Syracuse, you'd know that there are high paying jobs coming to the area. As for tax payers paying for these new buildings and jobs: Syracuse ranks one of the cheapest places to live in the country and that is with taxes taken into consideration. Finally, if there were no new building being built we wouldn't collect any taxes anyways; might as well get taxes from sales, electricity, gas, etc, and will cause a domino affect since 10000 jobs are being created we now will need more officers, firefighters, nurses, doctors, maintence workers, local business owners, landlords, and the list goes on and on. By the way, there's an additional 500 million being spent on cleaning Onondaga lake which was not taken into consideration when news came out that 1.4 billion dollars is being spent in Syracuse. It takes jobs and people to clean the lake and it will attract even more tourist and keep syracusans spending their money in Onondaga county rather than taking the trip to sylvan beach. Anyways, maybe you should take a look at what jobs are really being created rather than assume that most of them are mall jobs. By the way, has anyone heard about suny esfs vision for 2020? There are rumors that suny esf is trying to get off the hill and expand into a bigger college.
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Old 07-07-2012, 08:26 AM
 
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Anyways, maybe you should take a look at what jobs are really being created rather than assume that most of them are mall jobs. By the way, has anyone heard about suny esfs vision for 2020? There are rumors that suny esf is trying to get off the hill and expand into a bigger college.
As an employee of that institution I've seen the 20 year plan... campus will look a lot different if it happens, but campus will still be on the hill
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Old 07-07-2012, 08:27 AM
 
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I'm not one to believe the BLS plays funny money with the stats but if they did wouldn't NY get most favored state status as a 100% lock in the current crowds camp?? Or is because Florida is a swing state?? I gotta go make a tin foil hat just to keep typing along these lines. Or am I not seeing Florida and NY both tied at 8.6%?? And #40 at that.

And 10K new jobs?? At the mall?? And even this is a toss cause those aren't "new" jobs they are just taken from the suburban malls. And since the new mall doesn't pay any taxes I bet they can cut some sweet deals.

And 1.4 billion buckaroo's?? Its all just government money. Which means it was taken from somewhere else. And since NY does not have the power to tax other states it was taken from other NYer's. So hard working NYer's had 1.4 billion dollars stolen from them and sent to a city they had already voted with there feet they wanted dead and this is the key to economic recovery?? I don't think it is and I think its actually the key to how we got in the mess we are in now.
I don't mind if the states or the federal governments spend money or help fund repayable loans for things like (repayable loans) to help industries/companies/businesses expand/develop/create more jobs or for infrastructure projects which create jobs=fixing bridges before they collapse, repave roads, construct sewer treatment plants, construct clean drinking water filtration/treatment facilities, build a modern electrical grid system, build alternative electrical energy generating windmill and solar projects (we have a huge 200+ windmill project on Tug Hill just west of Lowville & one up in Fenner too), build subway or monorail systems in cities large enough to warrant such a system, build a "real" high-speed "Bullet Train" rail system from Boston to NYC to Washington (actual/real high speed system-NOT just "call" it hi-speed), and similar worthwhile projects that create jobs for people and improve antiquated or create non-existant facilities. BTY, in Germany hundreds of thousands of homes have solar power installed at their homes to fully or partially operate those homes=boy, are we Americans back in the "cave-man-days" on this one--trhat's just one more catagory we're behind in. How long before our country is on the bottom of the heap in every catagory. Except we are great at creating a gigantic military and starting new Wars=probably remain #1 in that respect.

I don't like to squander/waste/pour-down-the-sewer money on things like:

1.) Bailing out too-big-to-fail Banks and Wall Street Corporations who misuse/treat the companies they "manage" as their own private Casinos and then insist that we taxpayers bail them out. In the meantime those "managers/gamblers" conduct has thrown havoc into other blameless industries and mortgaged homeowners viability, jobs, and soundness/welfare. Today, right now, those Banks are right back at that same old gambling game or maybe they are even worse if that's possible.
I say split-up those Banks Now or let them go bankrupt when they fail again, which I'm sure they will unless the government regulates them more.
2.) There should be a minimum income tax that all Corporations should "have" to pay. It irritates me that GE and Exxon-Mobil paid "Zero" income taxes (while receiving U.S. Government subsidies) while making huge profits. Did you pay zero taxes? Did you receive a subsidy? Get rid of this "Corporate Welfare".
3.) Giving big tax breaks to Millionaires and Billionaires (no, I refuse to call them the P.C. misnomer) "job-creaters" because they are not and have not been creating jobs. As if the Millionaires & Billionaires don't already have disgusting wealth; and a lot of people have to live on a paltry $30,000 a year.
4.) Not paying for/not taxing for/us starting unwarranted, foolish, unnecessary Wars of aggression that our leaders lied us into. Haliburton (and other war-contractors) and a certain Vice-President connected to Haliburton made Train-Loads of "your" tax money on that War. Those countries have been fighting among themselves for hundreds of years=keep our big nose out of other people's countries business. Oh. I forgot. There's oil there otherwise we wouldn't start unnecessary Wars.
5.) I could give a lot of other examples of things I don't like to spec our tax money on but I have to get going.
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ckhthankgod, I guess your Post has been hijacked into other discussions. Let me try to help on the next page below.
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Old 07-07-2012, 08:34 AM
 
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With the exception of sidewalks - I love sidewalks - all the problems you listed are things I love about it. lol
There's nothing that kills me more than to see no sidewalks since it makes an area look poor. Next on my list would be that the grass is almost never cut on the side of roads and highways. Then, it would definitely be telephone poles; most new and higher end cities almost always burry telephone poles underground. Last on my list would be woods: I live in Cheektowaga, a suburb of Buffalo, which is very densely populated and I almost never see trees. However, Syracuse has much cleaner air and water which is a clear benefit to living in an area with a lot of trees and uncut grass on the side of roads. People in Syracuse even look healthier than people in Buffalo. Sadly, we cannot have it all.
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Old 07-07-2012, 08:48 AM
 
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Hi ckhthankgod,

Your original Post posed a very interesting and relevant question asking newcomers, now that they have moved here, what are their feelings or impressions about this different area where they now live.

I would really like to hear some of their responses too, especially from those people who relocated from states that are quite different from NY State but also from people from New England, other Northeastern States, and from The South.
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ckhthankgod=To quote your Post: "I was just thinking, there have been a few people that have moved here from bigger areas that seem to have a less than favorable feeling about the area based on where they live in the area. I am wondering as to who gave them advice as to where to look given what they were looking for? I just find is interesting given the amount of people on here willing to give honest advice about areas to look into and could pinpoint areas that could or would be more to their liking. Even if they can't find what they want here, posters will suggest other areas either within the state or in other parts of the country." End quote.

ckhthankgod = Great Post question.

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Old 07-07-2012, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Not Oneida
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Our areas unemployment is growing. The city proper is at 9.5%. We are on the wrong track. Way wrong.

For you Shawn, well, your plan is brutal, cut throat and ruthless to the point of disbelieve but at the same time I gotta respect your honesty. You want to save the city of Syracuse and kill off everything else. I don't agree but you don't pull any punches. Kill the suburban malls, kill Sylvan Beach. Save Syracuse. I'd rather crush the unions, tell Albany to go pound sand and get a shiney new Airbus plant, hire some PRIVATE SECTOR WORKERS THAT GENERATE CAPITAL and let them make there own choices about where they would like to spend there own money. But your way of stealing taxpayer money and redisturbing it to larger areas that can come up with the votes of people that think stealing is ok is fine also.

Grdman?? I'm alittle lost. I agree with you but not sure of the context?? We still have all our old military entanglements going back to WW II and this current guys seems to keep sticking our noses in new ones. So I agree with you Obama is awful but really he's just doing the same as all leaders have since Roman times and before. Be nice to bring them home but we still got places Truman sent troops to going. I also agree about the banks being left to die. Better still would have been letting GM die.
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Old 07-07-2012, 02:48 PM
 
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Our areas unemployment is growing. The city proper is at 9.5%. We are on the wrong track. Way wrong.

For you Shawn, well, your plan is brutal, cut throat and ruthless to the point of disbelieve but at the same time I gotta respect your honesty. You want to save the city of Syracuse and kill off everything else. I don't agree but you don't pull any punches. Kill the suburban malls, kill Sylvan Beach. Save Syracuse. I'd rather crush the unions, tell Albany to go pound sand and get a shiney new Airbus plant, hire some PRIVATE SECTOR WORKERS THAT GENERATE CAPITAL and let them make there own choices about where they would like to spend there own money. But your way of stealing taxpayer money and redisturbing it to larger areas that can come up with the votes of people that think stealing is ok is fine also.

Grdman?? I'm alittle lost. I agree with you but not sure of the context?? We still have all our old military entanglements going back to WW II and this current guys seems to keep sticking our noses in new ones. So I agree with you Obama is awful but really he's just doing the same as all leaders have since Roman times and before. Be nice to bring them home but we still got places Truman sent troops to going. I also agree about the banks being left to die. Better still would have been letting GM die.
Where did you get that number from? It is tough to just use the rate for the city proper, given that most of the people in the metro live outside of the city of Syracuse. According to the BLS numbers from May, the rate is 8.6%. With that said, most vibrant or growing areas have invested within their city center. So, I don't think the investment within the city of Syracuse is unnecessary. Outside of the mall construction, there is the Biotech Center, the CENTRO station and construction on various projects throughout the city. In turn, this could help attract other businesses or companies that will bring more jobs to the city/area.
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Old 07-07-2012, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Not Oneida
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I just Goggled city of syracuse unemployment rate.

I can't link to it cause when I open the main search results that state 9.5% it opens to a graph showing 10.5%.

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