Gentrification/revitalization and select neighborhoods (Syracuse, Watertown: lawyer, school, universities) - New York (NY) - Page 4 - City-Data Forum

ckhthankgod · 08-07-2018, 11:20 AM

Also, the first neighborhood is on the East Side and the second is on the West Side: http://www.city-data.com/forum/52139322-post6.html

Another area with its own sector: http://www.city-data.com/forum/52177660-post29.html
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0683...7i13312!8i6656

ckhthankgod · 08-08-2018, 10:40 AM

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A segment about this corridor: How Can Syracuse's South Ave Corridor be Improved? New Study Shows Assets, Challenges, Possibility | WAER

Another article related to this corridor: Why Doesn

Ironically, this example in Buffalo is actually trying to do just that and is an example of what I was referring to for a couple of corridors mentioned: https://www.michiganstreetbuffalo.org/

ckhthankgod · 08-11-2018, 02:50 PM

A rendering of potential plans on South Ave.: https://www.syracuse.com/expo/news/e...540/index.html

Syracuse study lays out plan to revitalize South Avenue Corridor - The Daily Orange - The Independent Student Newspaper of Syracuse, New York

On the 14th of this month, there will be a discussion of plans for the area at Living Waters COGIC and it could be a game changer for the city, in my opinion in regards to another walkable option and attracting a wide range of professionals/folks to the city/area given the current demographics.

ckhthankgod · 08-12-2018, 03:04 PM

Another thing that could play a part in this is the aspect of consolidation, in order to lower tax rates for growth. For instance, an idea for Onondaga County school district consolidation with zones I came up with is to group a portion of the city and adjacent suburbs into an open enrollment zone.

So, one plan that I came up with is to group the Henninger HS city zone with adjacent suburban SD’s in Liverpool, North Syracuse and East Syracuse-Minoa as the N/NE zone.

For the E/SE zone, the Nottingham HS city zone with Jamesville-DeWitt, Fayetteville-Manlius and Fabius-Pompey.

For the S/SW zone, it would be the Corcoran HS city zone with Westhill, Onondaga Central, LaFayette, Tully, Marcellus and Skaneateles.

For the W/NW zone, the Fowler HS city zone with Solvay, West Genesee, Jordan-Elbridge and Baldwinsville.

Lyncourt is a wild card that I would either put with N/NE zone or grandfather it with the W/NW zone due to being a Pre K or K-8th grade SD that then has its HS age students go to Solvay HS.

For Syracuse City’s ITC(Institute of Technology at Central HS), it could expand its campus/enrollment due to opening it up to students outside of city limits, but incentivizing city residency by having at least half of its students being city residents.

Also, like the open enrollment systems in MN and WI, city resident students can take not only their tax money allocation, but their Say Yes to Education allocation with them if they go to a school outside of city limits. Again, that will incentivize city residency, while allowing people to stay put if they want to.

As for school representation, I thought about something similar to this: Onondaga County Legislature
http://www.ongov.net/legislature/doc...ricts34x44.pdf

but using current city zones and school district boundaries for board representation. This means that these county SD zones will just be a conglomeration of current zones/districts that do not necessarily fit the Onondaga County boundaries.

In turn, this could perhaps be duplicated in a similar fashion in similar counties within the state and smaller counties could look at less zones, if any at all, give or take.

This would cut down the amount of high level school administrators among schools within the county and in turn, some costs.

ckhthankgod · 08-12-2018, 05:47 PM

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Another thing that could play a part in this is the aspect of consolidation, in order to lower tax rates for growth. For instance, an idea for Onondaga County school district consolidation with zones I came up with is to group a portion of the city and adjacent suburbs into an open enrollment zone.

So, one plan that I came up with is to group the Henninger HS city zone with adjacent suburban SD’s in Liverpool, North Syracuse and East Syracuse-Minoa as the N/NE zone.

For the E/SE zone, the Nottingham HS city zone with Jamesville-DeWitt, Fayetteville-Manlius and Fabius-Pompey.

For the S/SW zone, it would be the Corcoran HS city zone with Westhill, Onondaga Central, LaFayette, Tully, Marcellus and Skaneateles.

For the W/NW zone, the Fowler HS city zone with Solvay, West Genesee, Jordan-Elbridge and Baldwinsville.

Lyncourt is a wild card that I would either put with N/NE zone or grandfather it with the W/NW zone due to being a Pre K or K-8th grade SD that then has its HS age students go to Solvay HS.

For Syracuse City’s ITC(Institute of Technology at Central HS), it could expand its campus/enrollment due to opening it up to students outside of city limits, but incentivizing city residency by having at least half of its students being city residents.

Also, like the open enrollment systems in MN and WI, city resident students can take not only their tax money allocation, but their Say Yes to Education allocation with them if they go to a school outside of city limits. Again, that will incentivize city residency, while allowing people to stay put if they want to.

As for school representation, I thought about something similar to this: Onondaga County Legislature
http://www.ongov.net/legislature/doc...ricts34x44.pdf

but using current city zones and school district boundaries for board representation. This means that these county SD zones will just be a conglomeration of current zones/districts that do not necessarily fit the Onondaga County boundaries.

In turn, this could perhaps be duplicated in a similar fashion in similar counties within the state and smaller counties could look at less zones, if any at all, give or take.

This would cut down the amount of high level school administrators among schools within the county and in turn, some costs.

ckhthankgod · 08-16-2018, 11:26 AM

Another area that could be focused on it the portion of James Street closer to Downtown/next to Prospect Hill and Hawley-Green. There are some older buildings that could be used for housing or that are used for housing that should be updated or for other purposes. https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0544...6!9m2!1b1!2i39

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0529...6!9m2!1b1!2i39

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0532...6!9m2!1b1!2i39

ckhthankgod · 10-17-2018, 02:46 PM

the Park Avenue area behind Automobile Row(West Genesee Street) and north of Erie Boulevard West

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In terms of this area, it has seen some revitalization of properties such as "the 5 Sisters" here: https://www.timecapdevelopment.net/t...rs_park_avenue

My Central New York: Park Avenue Boulevard Architectural Walking Tour - This Sunday (Oct 3)

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0520...7i13312!8i6656

There has also been some new loft apartments put into former industrial buildings as well: https://www.dietzlofts.com/
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Th...!4d-76.1641532 (older street view)

538 Erie | Experience Modern Living Downtown Syracuse
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0496...7i13312!8i6656 (just inside of the area mentioned)

This building that was the site of the former Marcellus casket Factory has been revitalized as well: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0500...6!9m2!1b1!2i38

Also, this plaza in the former Sam Dell Car Dealership lot has been built up in recent years as well: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0537...6!9m2!1b1!2i38

You also have these places within that area: https://www.middleagesbrewing.com/
Dom Polski | Syracuse Polish Home
Welcome
https://www.facebook.com/RainLoungeSyracuse/
https://www.facebook.com/Calca%C3%B1...4339781590681/
United Auto Supply > Home
https://www.yelp.com/biz/park-grocery-and-meat-syracuse

A couple of schools: School Home | The Syracuse City School District | Syracuse, NY

http://www.sascs.org/ (the high school portion is in the area)

If the area can get more properties brought back to life(housing and commercial), which is a possibility due to its very close proximity to Downtown, it could be another city neighborhood in high(er) demand.

Some structures in this area that could be brought back to life/redeveloped: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0506...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0510...7i13312!8i6656 ( is actually a part of this program: Home - Greater Syracuse Land Bank )

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0510...7i13312!8i6656 (as well as one across the street)

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0494...6!9m2!1b1!2i38 (can go back in past years to see the transformation)

ckhthankgod · 10-23-2018, 07:59 AM

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The bolded area: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0014...7i13312!8i6656

In turn, this could help develop the South Salina Street corridor, which is the same street that this building is on: Sears Building

Businesses on the street in between: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0198...6!9m2!1b1!2i38

Also, in this corridor, a potential use for this building: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0255...7i13312!8i6656

Could be a mixed cultural center/museum similar to this: http://web1.bccnsweb.com/

Which could also house this organization: The Paul Robeson Performing Arts Company

Then, a couple of blocks south, the building on the right could be used for housing for mixed use for families, artists associated with the organization/facility above and for those looking to hone their craft as entrepreneurs at this facility across the street: South Side Innovation Center

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0227...7i13312!8i6656

Other nearby properties could also be put on the rolls by using said folks as well. There also is potential for more infill on the street as well.

Also, in/near this corridor, I think with the tax breaks given to other companies, you could help a company like this: https://www.dreissigathletic.com/ expand and relocate to the former Coyne Textile building: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0378...7i13312!8i6656

This could provide need jobs for a community/area of the city that needs them and in turn, you could also use the talent of Design majors from local colleges and universities such as Syracuse University and Cazenovia College, with the latter having a good Fashion Design program. Bachelor's Degree in Fashion Design | Cazenovia College

Fashion Design (B.F.A.) | Undergraduate | School of Design | Academics | Syracuse University College of Visual and Performing Arts

So, you in turn provide potential employment to a neighborhood that needs it, you can actually keep younger people in the area and you would help grow a local and just as important, a black owned company that reflects the majority of the people in that area of the city. Yet, I haven't seen anyone propose this in order to address multiple issues that people mention locally, that would help a wide range of people.

Also, in terms of this, you could potentially create a fashion industry within the city, given the institutions and this in turn could make Downtown a proving ground for this. Locations such as the Pike Block's first floor and former Addis Company building were a couple that came to mind.

Not only Downtown, but you also have the 6th biggest shopping center in the country and the biggest shopping center in NY State right in city limits, which could also young designers get their ideas out to a larger audience. For those that think this is crazy, many may not know that a city/area such as Columbus OH has a fashion industry and some stores have roots there: https://columbusregion.com/industries/fashion-apparel/ So, why not expand and build up this industry in Syracuse, which already has some things in place in order for this to happen?

ckhthankgod · 10-23-2018, 09:08 AM

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Side of town: 2 Westside

As is this area: http://www.city-data.com/forum/52564400-post9.html

and this area: http://www.city-data.com/forum/52624133-post15.html

Also, a building that could include housing on the top floor, while keeping the businesses on the first floor is the former Kallfelz Brothers Bakery building on South Geddes Street: https://goo.gl/maps/QajEmBFnA462

There is potential for infill a block away as well: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0417...7i13312!8i6656

as well as revitalization of this building: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0426...7i13312!8i6656

This is located further north on South Geddes: About The Gear Factory Syracuse
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0456...7i13312!8i6656

an area behind the one above that has a couple of buildings that also have more potential: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0461...7i13312!8i6656
and kitty corner: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0458...7i13312!8i6656

Those last 2 views are in between Downtown and Tipperary Hill, which are 2 areas with some nightlife/pubs. So, that is an area that can bridge the gap between those 2 areas.

ckhthankgod · 11-18-2018, 08:36 AM

Here is a 5 year plan study for the Southside from Southside TNT: https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/09aad...4d8734e7bc.pdf

https://www.apdsolutions.com/souther...s-tntsouthside

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