Syracuse media (Buffalo, Rochester, Albany: property taxes, homes, rent)

[friedzone]

Hi guys. Hope you don't mind if I chime in here. I have not spent any time in Syracuse, but with SU, UTC, Sensis & Lockheed there it makes sense that the media would keep a low profile and not seek to upset anyones apple carts. Likewise, I think that the city in general likes to keep a low profile. That way, corporate execs can live in 300k houses that anywhere else would cost well over a million.
The finger lakes, 1000 islands & adirondacks are some of the most beautiful places on the planet. I live in Chicago and want to vacation there this summer. Any suggestions on places to stay, anyone?
Thanks for all the pics Bellafinzi.

[cnylifer]

The Syracuse media is second rate (at best). For example yesterday (March 17) the paper had only a small sidebar on the Bear Stearns situation. They did cover it on Sunday, but nothing in Monday's paper. The Monday edition doesnt even have a business section. The editorial page tends to go with a more liberal position, but often their positions are superficial and not well thought out or supported.

The 3 network affiates are small townish productions mostly. The staff is a mix of long timers who cant find a job elsewhere and top notch young talent from SU's Newhouse school. The list of ex-reporters from Syracuse now with major positions in big markets goes on and on. Mike Tirico is just one well known example.

[bellafinzi]

Originally Posted by friedzone

Hi guys. Hope you don't mind if I chime in here. I have not spent any time in Syracuse, but with SU, UTC, Sensis & Lockheed there it makes sense that the media would keep a low profile and not seek to upset anyones apple carts. Likewise, I think that the city in general likes to keep a low profile. That way, corporate execs can live in 300k houses that anywhere else would cost well over a million.
The finger lakes, 1000 islands & adirondacks are some of the most beautiful places on the planet. I live in Chicago and want to vacation there this summer. Any suggestions on places to stay, anyone?
Thanks for all the pics Bellafinzi.

You're welcome...I'll have start taking pictures more pics this summer. Lots more interesting places I never photographed yet.

Interesting theory about keeping a low profile. Never even crossed my mind.

Upstate New York is great place to take a small vacation, especially with your kids. Cooperstown, Turning Stone Casino, Niagara Falls and Lake George are probably the biggest tourist spots in Upstate NY. If you plan to visit the Finger Lakes, the 1000 Islands and the Adirondacks, the Syracuse area would be the perfect central location to stay when you visit the Finger Lakes. Another location where you might want to stay is Turning Stone Casino Resort. You can google it and see that Turning Stone has a lot to offer in the way of accommodations and things to do!

[bellafinzi]

Originally Posted by cnylifer

The Syracuse media is second rate (at best).
The 3 network affiates are small townish productions mostly. The staff is a mix of long timers who cant find a job elsewhere and top notch young talent from SU's Newhouse school.

Thanks!

Do you know why Syracuse gets Univision out of Ithaca?

The Syracuse area has almost 15,000 Hispanics. The Ithaca area only has 3,000 Hispanics. Makes more sense for the Latino stations to be based out of Syracuse....

[YankeeTom]

Originally Posted by bellafinzi

LOL, I'm bringing my own thread off topic, I guess that's allowed.

Yes, I know... you can't really compare Montreal with any city in Upstate NY. Just trying to make people understand that bad weather is not the main reason why Syracuse isn't growing. Keep in mind that Montreal averages 90 inches of snow each year, Syracuse averages 112 inches and Québec City averages 130 inches.

Syracuse's urbanized area is roughly 420,000, Québec City's urbanized area is roughly 600,000. So I guess Québec City is better comparison to Syracuse size wise.

So far, this year Québec City has had 210 inches of snow. Syracuse's total so far is 109 inches of snow. So yes, Québec City is much snowier, much cloudier and much colder than Syracuse. (Québec City averages 226 cloudy days each year. Syracuse averages 205 cloudy days a year.)

What about cold weather? Syracuse is USDA Zone 5/6. Québec City is Zone 3/4. And if Syracuse believes summer is short here, they should try living in Québec City!

Not trying to pick on Québec City, it is one of my favorite places ... people just need to know that there are places in the world that are colder, snowier and cloudier than Central and Western Upstate NY.

Sorry Quebec is not snowier then Syracuse NY. This year they had lots of snow in Quebec and New England thats true. Records nearly. But They are way over their ave. Unlike CNY. Caribou had over 180 this year 70 over ave.
Portland Maine had over 100 , 30 over ave. These places are much colder then CNY and the days are shorter because of their northerly locations. But sun light during winters are 10 to 30 percent more in these areas. Lots of pines and birch make for nice contrasts with deep blue ski. NY could be the Empire state again but the problem is national. NAFTA is very much to blame along with policys of the "leaders" we keep electing. Clinton signed NAFTA.

I think NY will be valued again , when people look for things like locally grown food , Good and Abundant Water. A good lifestyle rather then a life of keeping up with the Jones. Don't give up hope , get and keep NY lean , green , and clean.

[bellafinzi]

Originally Posted by YankeeTom

Sorry Quebec is not snowier then Syracuse NY. This year they had lots of snow in Quebec and New England thats true. Records nearly. But They are way over their ave. Unlike CNY. Caribou had over 180 this year 70 over ave.
Portland Maine had over 100 , 30 over ave. These places are much colder then CNY and the days are shorter because of their northerly locations. But sun light during winters are 10 to 30 percent more in these areas. Lots of pines and birch make for nice contrasts with deep blue ski. NY could be the Empire state again but the problem is national. NAFTA is very much to blame along with policys of the "leaders" we keep electing. Clinton signed NAFTA.

I think NY will be valued again , when people look for things like locally grown food , Good and Abundant Water. A good lifestyle rather then a life of keeping up with the Jones. Don't give up hope , get and keep NY lean , green , and clean.

Sorry, you are wrong. Quebec City is snowier and cloudier than Syracuse.

Quebec City averages 134 inches of snow each year. Syracuse averages 115 inches of snow per year.

Quebec City average snowfall
Canadian Winter - Quebec City

Syracuse average snowfall
New York State Golden Snowball Award Contest

Quebec City averages 226 cloudy days each year. Syracuse averages 205 cloudy days each year.

Cloudiest Cities in the US

[Emitchell]

The 2006-07 Nielson DMA (designated market area) ranking for Syracuse was 79. Meaning there are 78 other larger TV markets. In 2007-08, Syracuse had dropped to 80.

Television markets of that size tend to get very young talent – producers and reporters who probably are not familiar with the region and don’t have the life experience to give the story the depth you are looking for. Many of them move on after a few years.

Then you have the ones who stick around—typically they are from Central New York. I think it is safe to say that the most of long-time talent in Syracuse television is from CNY.

Moving up to a bigger market is the way it works. There is a very limited number of anchor positions at a station, so moving to a bigger market is sometimes the only way to collect a bigger paycheck.

Everyone has different goals.

[bellafinzi]

Originally Posted by Emitchell

The 2006-07 Nielson DMA (designated market area) ranking for Syracuse was 79. Meaning there are 78 other larger TV markets. In 2007-08, Syracuse had dropped to 80.

Television markets of that size tend to get very young talent – producers and reporters who probably are not familiar with the region and don’t have the life experience to give the story the depth you are looking for. Many of them move on after a few years.

Then you have the ones who stick around—typically they are from Central New York. I think it is safe to say that the most of long-time talent in Syracuse television is from CNY.

Moving up to a bigger market is the way it works. There is a very limited number of anchor positions at a station, so moving to a bigger market is sometimes the only way to collect a bigger paycheck.

Everyone has different goals.

Thanks!

Yes, the size of the market is a factor.

Still though, no one has answered my question why the media in the Rochester, NY market (basically the same size as the Syracuse market) is much better than the media in Syracuse.

For example, Rochester's newspaper reports stories that help promote Rochester and writes about development in a positive way. In contrast, Syracuse's newspaper writes headlines to get reactions from readers and cast almost every development project in a negative light.

For example, it was announced today that Syracuse will get a $40 million Biotech Center. Just watch all the crazy people (mostly hicks, environmentalists and human rights advocates) who live in the city twist a positive for Syracuse into a negative. And then the Syracuse media will actually give free coverage to the people who oppose the Biotech center and create a huge deal over nothing. Next thing you know the project is delayed for years and years while the Syracuse economy continues to stagnate.

[Easybreezy]

The continuing decline of media quality in Syracuse is absolutely astounding. It's getting worse.

For example, in the past week, the local daily newspaper has had FRONT page stories on the cost of proms--complete with a large photo, and today's main front page story was abandoned kittens in Lysander. Neither story merits front page coverage, although the kittens were very tragic, but front page--no.

[dnclark]

Originally Posted by cnylifer

The Syracuse media is second rate (at best). For example yesterday (March 17) the paper had only a small sidebar on the Bear Stearns situation. They did cover it on Sunday, but nothing in Monday's paper. The Monday edition doesnt even have a business section. The editorial page tends to go with a more liberal position, but often their positions are superficial and not well thought out or supported.

The 3 network affiates are small townish productions mostly. The staff is a mix of long timers who cant find a job elsewhere and top notch young talent from SU's Newhouse school. The list of ex-reporters from Syracuse now with major positions in big markets goes on and on. Mike Tirico is just one well known example.

Alot of the Newhouse kids come only because the school happens to be in Syracuse. A very small percent stay after graduation.