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Old 09-14-2018, 02:15 PM
 
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There's a greater than 75% chance I am relocating from the western suburbs of Boston to Syracuse in the next two months. Things aren't all finalized and signed, but are looking good.

This is a big change, and I know very little about Syracuse. In fact, I haven't even been out yet! But it's an opportunity that I can't overlook: big promotion, excellent benefits, much closer to my partner's business (currently he splits his time between upstate NY and the Boston area), and of course a MUCH lower COL than where I live now. I don't know anyone in Syracuse except for the former supervisor trying to poach me and my partner wouldn't live with me full time.

OK, so now that that's all out of the way, I'd like some ideas about where to look for apartments and what things may cost. As you can imagine, my financial gauge is completely off from living in Boston (where I currently commute over an hour to get to my suburban workplace from even deeper in the suburbs).

What I'm looking for:
- easy commute to downtown/the university (preferably by bus in the winter, but also driving)
- washer/dryer in unit
- 1 or 2 bedroom
- pet friendly
- prefer some kind of covered parking, but would settle for now for uncovered but off-street parking
- walkable to places to socialize (bars, breweries, reform/conservative Jewish orgs or UU churches, community education, etc)
- safe

Where should I be looking when I visit later this month? What should my budget be? I assume I could tick at least some of these boxes for under $1500 - how much lower could I go? I hope to be able to buy in the next two years and would like to keep my budget as low as possible to save for a downpayment, but also want to be comfortable in a big transition from the place I've spent my entire adult life.

Looking forward to (hopefully) being your neighbor!
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Old 09-14-2018, 04:07 PM
 
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There's a greater than 75% chance I am relocating from the western suburbs of Boston to Syracuse in the next two months. Things aren't all finalized and signed, but are looking good.

This is a big change, and I know very little about Syracuse. In fact, I haven't even been out yet! But it's an opportunity that I can't overlook: big promotion, excellent benefits, much closer to my partner's business (currently he splits his time between upstate NY and the Boston area), and of course a MUCH lower COL than where I live now. I don't know anyone in Syracuse except for the former supervisor trying to poach me and my partner wouldn't live with me full time.

OK, so now that that's all out of the way, I'd like some ideas about where to look for apartments and what things may cost. As you can imagine, my financial gauge is completely off from living in Boston (where I currently commute over an hour to get to my suburban workplace from even deeper in the suburbs).

What I'm looking for:
- easy commute to downtown/the university (preferably by bus in the winter, but also driving)
- washer/dryer in unit
- 1 or 2 bedroom
- pet friendly
- prefer some kind of covered parking, but would settle for now for uncovered but off-street parking
- walkable to places to socialize (bars, breweries, reform/conservative Jewish orgs or UU churches, community education, etc)
- safe

Where should I be looking when I visit later this month? What should my budget be? I assume I could tick at least some of these boxes for under $1500 - how much lower could I go? I hope to be able to buy in the next two years and would like to keep my budget as low as possible to save for a downpayment, but also want to be comfortable in a big transition from the place I've spent my entire adult life.

Looking forward to (hopefully) being your neighbor!
I would look actually from Downtown through city's East Side into parts of DeWitt in the Jamesville-DeWitt SD. Besides Downtown: https://www.downtownsyracuse.com/, I think you would like the Westcott neighborhood/University area: https://westcottsyr.com/org/wna/
UNPA | University Neighborhood Preservation Association

The bulk of the area's Jewish population is concentrated from the outer East Side into DeWitt and the Fayetteville-Manlius area/SD. Some places of worship/institutions in that general area: https://www.templeconcord.org/
Temple Adath Yeshurun | Creating Community
https://www.stocsyracuse.org/
https://menorahparkofcny.com/
Welcome to the JCC of Syracuse

You also have May Memorial Unitarian Church on the East Side as well: May Memorial
In nearby DeWitt: https://firstuusyr.org/

Syracuse University is actually on University Hill, which is just SE of Downtown/I-81: https://university-hill.com/

You also have the Connective Corridor Bus that connects Downtown with the University: Connective Corridor
Along the route: https://www.syracusestage.org/index.php


This will give you an idea of apartments Downtown: https://www.downtownsyracuse.com/lifestyle/living/
https://www.apartmentfinder.com/New-...ood-Apartments

You can use the map in the second to view more listings as well.

A couple of districts in Downtown Syracuse with nightlife: Armory Square | Downtown Syracuse, New York
Hanover Square | Downtown Syracuse | Restaurants, Bars, and More

A "sleeper" area just NW of Downtown: http://www.syracuse.ny.us/Parks/franklinSquarePark.html
Syracuse Premier Apartments | Franklin View Terrace
Syracuse Premier Apartments | Clinton Street Commons
https://www.apartmentfinder.com/New-...are-Apartments
https://www.apartmentfinder.com/New-...are-Apartments
Destiny Arms
http://www.suttoncos.com/property/lakefront-lofts/
Mission Landing | Condos in Syracuse | Downtown Syracuse, NY

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaura..._New_York.html
Syracuse, NY - Spaghetti Warehouse
http://boulangerie.cafe/

https://centralrockgym.com/syracuse/

This shopping center is down the street: https://www.destinyusa.com/

Another somewhat revitalized/gentrified area of the city: Hawley-Green Neighbors
NEHDA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawley...toric_District
Apartments nearby: https://kassonplace.com/
Regency Tower - Longley Jones
In the second building: https://www.attiliosonjames.com/
Across the street: Korean Cuisine, Syracuse NY

Some establishments in the area: Laci's Tapas Bar
DOMINICKS
https://syracusesoapworks.com/index.html
http://hairanoia.net/
https://www.facebook.com/ThanosImportMarket/
ArtRage Gallery – The Norton Putter Gallery

So, I hope this helps in terms of what you are looking for....

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Old 09-14-2018, 06:04 PM
 
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Also, some other apartments that come to mind: https://www.dlhproperties.net/proper...artment-homes/

https://dndruckerltd.com/syracuse-ar...ents/available

Fayette Place – Downtown Syracuse Apartments

https://loftsat709.com/

https://www.ironpierapts.com/Home.aspx (new apartments in the Inner Harbor area adjacent to Franklin Square)

Also, commutes in the area are usually in the 15-20 minutes range. So, they are much shorter than what you are use to.

More places of worship: Beit Chayim – Messianic Jewish Synagogue

https://www.chabadsyracuse.com/

https://www.cbscs.org/

An upcoming festival: https://www.syracusejewishfestival.org/
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Old 09-15-2018, 03:43 PM
 
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OP,

Syracuse is surrounded by some very nice rural areas. With this move from Boston, you might want to consider a change in lifestyle, including a home with a country setting yet short drive to the city. (one emotional risk you run by moving downtown is that you may end up unconsciously comparing Syracuse with Boston - so maybe it's better to find something that Boston cannot offer).

In the era uber and fresh direct, it's become easier to bring amenities straight to your doorstep.
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Old 09-15-2018, 03:59 PM
 
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OP,

Syracuse is surrounded by some very nice rural areas. With this move from Boston, you might want to consider a change in lifestyle, including a home with a country setting yet short drive to the city. (one emotional risk you run by moving downtown is that you may end up unconsciously comparing Syracuse with Boston - so maybe it's better to find something that Boston cannot offer).

In the era uber and fresh direct, it's become easier to bring amenities straight to your doorstep.
Good point, as if you want rural and close to those things, you can find properties in that general area in say Jamesville/in the Route 173 corridor of those generally suburban areas.


With that said, Syracuse also allows you to have a nice home within the city at a relatively affordable price, if you want to live in the city. That also makes it different from Boston and I say that in a good way. For instance, this is a SFH area on the East Side of the city, which was mentioned earlier and close to the University: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Me...!4d-76.1081369

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Old 09-15-2018, 10:16 PM
 
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Good point, as if you want rural and close to those things, you can find properties in that general area in say Jamesville/in the Route 173 corridor of those generally suburban areas.


With that said, Syracuse also allows you to have a nice home within the city at a relatively affordable price, if you want to live in the city. That also makes it different from Boston and I say that in a good way. For instance, this is a SFH area on the East Side of the city, which was mentioned earlier and close to the University: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Me...!4d-76.1081369
Some specific and relatively recent information about that general area of the street view: Census Block Group 004600-3 in Onondaga County, New York
Census Block Group 004600-4 in Onondaga County, New York
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Old 09-16-2018, 07:23 AM
 
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Good point, as if you want rural and close to those things, you can find properties in that general area in say Jamesville/in the Route 173 corridor of those generally suburban areas.


With that said, Syracuse also allows you to have a nice home within the city at a relatively affordable price, if you want to live in the city. That also makes it different from Boston and I say that in a good way. For instance, this is a SFH area on the East Side of the city, which was mentioned earlier and close to the University: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Me...!4d-76.1081369
Some information from the Jamesville area/the Route 173 corridor: 13078 Zip Code - USA.com™

13104 Zip Code - USA.com™
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Old 09-18-2018, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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OP,

Syracuse is surrounded by some very nice rural areas. With this move from Boston, you might want to consider a change in lifestyle, including a home with a country setting yet short drive to the city. (one emotional risk you run by moving downtown is that you may end up unconsciously comparing Syracuse with Boston - so maybe it's better to find something that Boston cannot offer).

In the era uber and fresh direct, it's become easier to bring amenities straight to your doorstep.
Oh, I've never been able to afford to live in Boston! Until about 6 months ago, I lived with multiple roommates in an urban-ish suburb but close to the walkable downtown and was happy to take advantage of walking to a coffee shop, a few restaurants/bars, and community events. Now I live way out in the suburbs between Boston and Worcester (roughly 40 minutes to Boston in no traffic but more like 2 hours in traffic) in an area that most of my friends would consider rural-adjacent and I hate it. For instance, for the first time I have to build in time for car repairs because I can't just walk to drop my car off at the end of the street and pick it up in time for work in the morning. Nothing is walkable from my apartment complex!

A huge draw for Syracuse is that until I have kids who are school age, I can afford a more urban lifestyle much more comfortably. I'm not looking for Boston, Cambridge, or even my old neighborhood of Medford, but am definitely interested in being a walk, short bus ride, or Uber away from things to do. Not to mention, I grew up in the South and am still not entirely comfy with driving in the snow. I can get away with it here because my employer allows me to work from home during storms, but I won't be able to pull that off so easily in Syracuse! Being closer is better.

Rural also involves more snow shoveling. I have some health issues to consider (thanks to cancer in my early 20s) so while I can certainly manage cold climates, I prefer managing my health by living in an apartment building or a condo with minimal snow removal responsibility.

Thus, I'd probably be looking at purchasing a condo after a year or two of renting. When I have kids and they're a few years old, my second home purchase would likely be one with a bit more land and a rural atmosphere.
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Old 09-18-2018, 07:01 PM
 
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Oh, I've never been able to afford to live in Boston! Until about 6 months ago, I lived with multiple roommates in an urban-ish suburb but close to the walkable downtown and was happy to take advantage of walking to a coffee shop, a few restaurants/bars, and community events. Now I live way out in the suburbs between Boston and Worcester (roughly 40 minutes to Boston in no traffic but more like 2 hours in traffic) in an area that most of my friends would consider rural-adjacent and I hate it. For instance, for the first time I have to build in time for car repairs because I can't just walk to drop my car off at the end of the street and pick it up in time for work in the morning. Nothing is walkable from my apartment complex!

A huge draw for Syracuse is that until I have kids who are school age, I can afford a more urban lifestyle much more comfortably. I'm not looking for Boston, Cambridge, or even my old neighborhood of Medford, but am definitely interested in being a walk, short bus ride, or Uber away from things to do. Not to mention, I grew up in the South and am still not entirely comfy with driving in the snow. I can get away with it here because my employer allows me to work from home during storms, but I won't be able to pull that off so easily in Syracuse! Being closer is better.

Rural also involves more snow shoveling. I have some health issues to consider (thanks to cancer in my early 20s) so while I can certainly manage cold climates, I prefer managing my health by living in an apartment building or a condo with minimal snow removal responsibility.

Thus, I'd probably be looking at purchasing a condo after a year or two of renting. When I have kids and they're a few years old, my second home purchase would likely be one with a bit more land and a rural atmosphere.
Something just to keep in mind with Syracuse is that municipalities have the equipment to remove snow in a relatively timely manner. So, if you have to drive, generally, snow gets cleared and life goes on during the winter.

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Old 09-19-2018, 07:17 AM
 
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You might also want to consider one of the walkable villages in the area (either now, or after a couple of years). They can afford you the walkability in and around where you live, with a short commute to the downtown and university area. Villages to consider would be (closer in proximity to downtown) Liverpool, Baldwinsvile, Fayetteville, and Manlius and (a little farther away, but super nice) Cazenovia and Skaneateles. If you don't mind being a little farther out, in my opinion, Caz offers the most bang for your buck. We settled in Baldwinsville after living in NYC (Brooklyn) for years. We love the walkability. There are at least 10 restaurants/bars we can walk to from our house (in fact this weekend is the bar crawl, organized by the chamber of commerce). We also have an awesome music venue (Paper Mill Island) in the middle of the village and we get local, regional and sometimes even national acts come through. We're also right on the Erie Canal, so a lot of boat traffic coming through in the warmer months.

I'd take a look at some of the villages on google streetview before deciding. Liverpool would be the closest to downtown.

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Oh, I've never been able to afford to live in Boston! Until about 6 months ago, I lived with multiple roommates in an urban-ish suburb but close to the walkable downtown and was happy to take advantage of walking to a coffee shop, a few restaurants/bars, and community events. Now I live way out in the suburbs between Boston and Worcester (roughly 40 minutes to Boston in no traffic but more like 2 hours in traffic) in an area that most of my friends would consider rural-adjacent and I hate it. For instance, for the first time I have to build in time for car repairs because I can't just walk to drop my car off at the end of the street and pick it up in time for work in the morning. Nothing is walkable from my apartment complex!

A huge draw for Syracuse is that until I have kids who are school age, I can afford a more urban lifestyle much more comfortably. I'm not looking for Boston, Cambridge, or even my old neighborhood of Medford, but am definitely interested in being a walk, short bus ride, or Uber away from things to do. Not to mention, I grew up in the South and am still not entirely comfy with driving in the snow. I can get away with it here because my employer allows me to work from home during storms, but I won't be able to pull that off so easily in Syracuse! Being closer is better.

Rural also involves more snow shoveling. I have some health issues to consider (thanks to cancer in my early 20s) so while I can certainly manage cold climates, I prefer managing my health by living in an apartment building or a condo with minimal snow removal responsibility.

Thus, I'd probably be looking at purchasing a condo after a year or two of renting. When I have kids and they're a few years old, my second home purchase would likely be one with a bit more land and a rural atmosphere.
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