Is downtown Syracuse better than Buffalo? (Rochester, Albany: new house, landscaping, neighborhoods)

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by SlickRick1

To compare Syracuse to Binghamton would also be ridiculous, considering that Binghamton is about a third of the size of Syracuse in population.


Sort of like comparing Syracuse to Buffalo.

Wow, where to begin...Again, no one said it was perfect or even bigger, but to say it is completely depressing is not true.

I guess thats a matter of opinion.

but to say that there isn't anything going on downtown would be a lie. I gave a reference as to what goes on downtown, but that obviously got overlooked.

I wasn't neglecting what you posted it's just that I was there two weeks ago, so I didnt need to look at what you posted. I seen your downtown with my own eyes.
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If the downtowns of Harrisburg and Albany look bigger, it could possibly be because they are state capitals. So, much of their downtowns could be government buildings. Harrisburg is the size of Binghamton and Albany is a city that is now around 95,000.

I'll give you that, but capitol or not, Harrisburg's downtown should not be twice that of Syracuse.

I suggest looking at the downtown Syracuse website to see what really goes on there and maybe it could change your perception of downtown Syracuse.

Once again. I dont need to I was just there. Unless you have a lot of hidden underground places in the downtown, I am pretty sure I didn't miss anything. Besides I didn't see anyone checking out Buffalo. It appeared they all just gave their opinion on assumptions. It seems like I am the only one who has evidence being that I have been to Syracuse so many times and of course just recently.

By the way, I think people here in Syracuse know how suspect and status quo the leadership has been in the area. So, hopefully they will be heard when the mayoral election comes up.

I am not so sure about that. By reading all of their opinions comparing Buffalo to Syracuse I dont think that they do know that Syracuse has alot of issues.

Also, no one is hating on Buffalo.

What would you call it. To say that a much bigger with more to offer downtown is less than a much smaller, with much less to do downtown, appears to be hating on a place. But I guess our definitions of hating on another place are somewhat different.

1. You are inflating the size comparison thing. Buffalo is approximatley twice the size of Syracuse in population. Binghamton is approximately a third of the size of Syracuse in that regard. So, not it's not the same. Buffalo has about 290,000, Syracuse about 140,000 and Binghamton 45,000. So, I'm not seeing that it is the same.

2. If you were here two weeks ago, why didn't you go to the skating rink at Cinton Square or to Armory Square? What about a play at Syracuse Stage or events at the Redhouse or Landmark Theatre? What about the Syracuse Symphony or the Community Folk Art Center? You can check out the Everson Museum or a game at the War Memorial too.....Ask and you will find.

3. Where is your proof that Harrisburg's downtown is twice that of Syracuse? That is hard to believe considering that Harrisburg and Binghamton are roughly the same in terms of population? So, does Harrisburg's downtown take up the pretty much the whole city? So, a city that is 11.4 sq miles has a bigger downtown than a city that is 25.6 sq. miles? Not seeing it. By the way, Buffalo is 52.5 sq. miles in size.

4. Again, no need to get a complex about Buffalo. We know there are things going on in Buffalo. Just don't come on here talking about Syracuse not having anything. Don't get me wrong, there is definately room for improvement, but there are things going on. Again, ask and you will find. It just depends on what you want.

5. Again, people know that Syracuse and pretty much, all Upstate cities, have room for improvement, literally. With that said, there are still many things that Syracuse and other Upstate cities offer, that you can't find in other places. Believe me, people know that Syracuse is not living up to it's potential.

6. Again, no one is hating on Buffalo. Yes, they have a bigger downtown and should to be honest. I think that Buffalo and Syracuse are really similar, except that we don't have the bullet riddled buildings that the OP stated that Buffalo had. Their words, not mine and I just confirmed it by saying we really don't have such buildings downtown. We might have some abandoned buildings, but I wouldn't say bullet riddled ones.

Also, many people know that Buffalo's nightlife actually goes longer than Syracuse's, considering that many establishments in Buffalo are open until 4 am and in Syracuse it's usually 2 am.

As far as the arts, it might actually be relatively even.

[SlickRick1]

[quote=ckhthankgod;6669822]1. You are inflating the size comparison thing. Buffalo is approximatley twice the size of Syracuse in population. Binghamton is approximately a third of the size of Syracuse in that regard. So, not it's not the same. Buffalo has about 290,000, Syracuse about 140,000 and Binghamton 45,000. So, I'm not seeing that it is the same.

It might not be the same, but to some degree, whats the difference?

2. If you were here two weeks ago, why didn't you go to the skating rink at Cinton Square or to Armory Square? What about a play at Syracuse Stage or events at the Redhouse or Landmark Theatre? What about the Syracuse Symphony or the Community Folk Art Center? You can check out the Everson Museum or a game at the War Memorial too.....Ask and you will find.

I would like to know what to do downtown without going to something artsy. Maybe I am not into the arts. Is that all that Syracuse has to offer? Apparently I am not into Ice skating either, what do you have that I could come off the street and do, without it being the above formentioned?

3. Where is your proof that Harrisburg's downtown is twice that of Syracuse? That is hard to believe considering that Harrisburg and Binghamton are roughly the same in terms of population? So, does Harrisburg's downtown take up the pretty much the whole city? So, a city that is 11.4 sq miles has a bigger downtown than a city that is 25.6 sq. miles? Not seeing it. By the way, Buffalo is 52.5 sq. miles in size.

My proof is that I have been there numerous times. The metro of Harrisburg is 500, 000 so in overall metro there not as different as you might think. Yes the city is much smaller more than half the size, but for some reason there downtown definately looks twice as big.

4. Again, no need to get a complex about Buffalo. We know there are things going on in Buffalo. Just don't come on here talking about Syracuse not having anything. Don't get me wrong, there is definately room for improvement, but there are things going on. Again, ask and you will find. It just depends on what you want.

But if I don't want what it is you have already mentioned, don't you think to me (in my opinion) that I would find Syracuse depressing?

5. Again, people know that Syracuse and pretty much, all Upstate cities, have room for improvement, literally. With that said, there are still many things that Syracuse and other Upstate cities offer, that you can't find in other places. Believe me, people know that Syracuse is not living up to it's potential.

I didn't really know that we were talking about all of upstate. I thought we were generally debating Syracuse to Buffalo. Once again, I am not so sure about your last sentence in this paragraph from so many of the responses.

6. Again, no one is hating on Buffalo. Yes, they have a bigger downtown and should to be honest. I think that Buffalo and Syracuse are really similar, except that we don't have the bullet riddled buildings that the OP stated that Buffalo had. Their words, not mine and I just confirmed it by saying we really don't have such buildings downtown. We might have some abandoned buildings, but I wouldn't say bullet riddled ones.

Your only speaking for yourself, because yes, there are many who are hating on Buffalo. Bullet ridden downtown. That's hysterical. I have lived in Buffalo for years and I have never seen any bullets in or on any building.

Also, many people know that Buffalo's nightlife actually goes longer than Syracuse's, considering that many establishments in Buffalo are open until 4 am and in Syracuse it's usually 2 am.

No contest there. Buffalo has about 20 nightclubs. Thats not including the bars in their downtown alone.

As far as the arts, it might actually be relatively even.[/quote]

I would seriously argue that. Buffalo is known for its arts. They are light years ahead of Syracuse in that department

[ckhthankgod]

[quote=SlickRick1;6769196]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

1. You are inflating the size comparison thing. Buffalo is approximatley twice the size of Syracuse in population. Binghamton is approximately a third of the size of Syracuse in that regard. So, not it's not the same. Buffalo has about 290,000, Syracuse about 140,000 and Binghamton 45,000. So, I'm not seeing that it is the same.

It might not be the same, but to some degree, whats the difference?

2. If you were here two weeks ago, why didn't you go to the skating rink at Cinton Square or to Armory Square? What about a play at Syracuse Stage or events at the Redhouse or Landmark Theatre? What about the Syracuse Symphony or the Community Folk Art Center? You can check out the Everson Museum or a game at the War Memorial too.....Ask and you will find.

I would like to know what to do downtown without going to something artsy. Maybe I am not into the arts. Is that all that Syracuse has to offer? Apparently I am not into Ice skating either, what do you have that I could come off the street and do, without it being the above formentioned?

3. Where is your proof that Harrisburg's downtown is twice that of Syracuse? That is hard to believe considering that Harrisburg and Binghamton are roughly the same in terms of population? So, does Harrisburg's downtown take up the pretty much the whole city? So, a city that is 11.4 sq miles has a bigger downtown than a city that is 25.6 sq. miles? Not seeing it. By the way, Buffalo is 52.5 sq. miles in size.

My proof is that I have been there numerous times. The metro of Harrisburg is 500, 000 so in overall metro there not as different as you might think. Yes the city is much smaller more than half the size, but for some reason there downtown definately looks twice as big.

4. Again, no need to get a complex about Buffalo. We know there are things going on in Buffalo. Just don't come on here talking about Syracuse not having anything. Don't get me wrong, there is definately room for improvement, but there are things going on. Again, ask and you will find. It just depends on what you want.

But if I don't want what it is you have already mentioned, don't you think to me (in my opinion) that I would find Syracuse depressing?

5. Again, people know that Syracuse and pretty much, all Upstate cities, have room for improvement, literally. With that said, there are still many things that Syracuse and other Upstate cities offer, that you can't find in other places. Believe me, people know that Syracuse is not living up to it's potential.

I didn't really know that we were talking about all of upstate. I thought we were generally debating Syracuse to Buffalo. Once again, I am not so sure about your last sentence in this paragraph from so many of the responses.

6. Again, no one is hating on Buffalo. Yes, they have a bigger downtown and should to be honest. I think that Buffalo and Syracuse are really similar, except that we don't have the bullet riddled buildings that the OP stated that Buffalo had. Their words, not mine and I just confirmed it by saying we really don't have such buildings downtown. We might have some abandoned buildings, but I wouldn't say bullet riddled ones.

Your only speaking for yourself, because yes, there are many who are hating on Buffalo. Bullet ridden downtown. That's hysterical. I have lived in Buffalo for years and I have never seen any bullets in or on any building.

Also, many people know that Buffalo's nightlife actually goes longer than Syracuse's, considering that many establishments in Buffalo are open until 4 am and in Syracuse it's usually 2 am.

No contest there. Buffalo has about 20 nightclubs. Thats not including the bars in their downtown alone.

As far as the arts, it might actually be relatively even.[/quote]

I would seriously argue that. Buffalo is known for its arts. They are light years ahead of Syracuse in that department

As far as the arts, it is actually pretty even per capita. You even mentioned about what downtown Syracuse has in terms of the arts. So, now we don't have much.

As for the Harrisburg area, the metro is that big because of the fact it includes the area around cities like York, Lancaster and Lebanon. Again, it is a state capital. So, it's downtown is probably full of government buildings.

Besides the arts and ice skating, there is the Armory Square district, which also has a nightclubs and bars, as well as shopping. You have the Hanover Square district too that also has bars and some shopping. You have the Landmark Theatre which has concerts and other events as well. During the summer, there is always a festival of some kind going on. I suggest any of the cultural festivals or a Taste of Syracuse. I've posted a website for downtown Syracuse for you to check out too.

As for nightclubs in general, I can give you that, which I already did. Some are good, but some people go to Club Lava at the Turning Stone Casino, among other places. That is about 35 minutes away, east of Syracuse. It really depends on what kind of scene you want too. You might like places like Ambrosia, Ohm, Traffik and Aluzzions, that are downtown and among others across the city and area.

Again, ask or research and you will find. There are things to do, but if you don't know any better, what do you expect?

As for mentioning Upstate, you get the same or similar responses about the cities. Hence, the mentioning of Upstate and it's cities.

Taking the hating on Buffalo issue with your man, the OP. Can't help you there.

[ckhthankgod]

By the way, here's more to check out when you're in town next time:Downtown Syracuse

[acknight]

Originally Posted by SlickRick1

What your accusing others of doing with Buffalo is exactly what you are doing with Syracuse. You make a lot of assumptions about Syracuse based on only a couple of brief visits and "walking around a block."

Im sorry if thats all your downtown entailed. Once again it was more than a short visit. Im judging by many visits as well as a brief stay.

You didn't look very closely.

Downtown Syracuse (Map of downtown Syracuse)

Even the most myopic visitor can see that there's more than a block or two to Downtown Syracuse. The fringes of the map linked above get slightly less downtown-y, but it's a pretty good rule of thumb.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by acknight

You didn't look very closely.

Downtown Syracuse (Map of downtown Syracuse)

Even the most myopic visitor can see that there's more than a block or two to Downtown Syracuse. The fringes of the map linked above get slightly less downtown-y, but it's a pretty good rule of thumb.

Basically.....

[SlickRick1]

[quote=ckhthankgod;6769675]

Originally Posted by SlickRick1

As far as the arts, it is actually pretty even per capita. You even mentioned about what downtown Syracuse has in terms of the arts. So, now we don't have much.

I didn't mention what you had in terms of arts, I was replying to what you said they had. If they were comparible per capita, which I highly doubt, wouldn't that still make Buffalo's art scene twice as nice. Not really comparible then is it?

As for the Harrisburg area, the metro is that big because of the fact it includes the area around cities like York, Lancaster and Lebanon. Again, it is a state capital. So, it's downtown is probably full of government buildings.

Exactly,I was only saying that to lessen the impact of the blow to your civic pride. So truthfully in size, it is much smaller which only weakens your argument. So will start over. A much smaller Harrisbug has a much larger downtown than Syracuse. Better?

Besides the arts and ice skating, there is the Armory Square district, which also has a nightclubs and bars, as well as shopping. You have the Hanover Square district too that also has bars and some shopping. You have the Landmark Theatre which has concerts and other events as well. During the summer, there is always a festival of some kind going on. I suggest any of the cultural festivals or a Taste of Syracuse. I've posted a website for downtown Syracuse for you to check out too.

I thought I already responded to this question. Look for my answer in the other posts. At this point you are just rewording the same questions over and over..

As for nightclubs in general, I can give you that, which I already did. Some are good, but some people go to Club Lava at the Turning Stone Casino, among other places. That is about 35 minutes away, east of Syracuse. It really depends on what kind of scene you want too. You might like places like Ambrosia, Ohm, Traffik and Aluzzions, that are downtown and among others across the city and area.

Again, ask or research and you will find. There are things to do, but if you don't know any better, what do you expect?

Of course there will be things to do in any city throughout the proximity of its city limits. However, we were talking about downtowns, and contrary to the points that you have tried to make, and I'll put it kindly, Syracuse's downtown is very very sad..

As for mentioning Upstate, you get the same or similar responses about the cities. Hence, the mentioning of Upstate and it's cities.

Taking the hating on Buffalo issue with your man, the OP. Can't help you there.

He's not even worth debating when he says something as rediculous as what he has stated.

[proulxfamily]

Originally Posted by SlickRick1

He's not even worth debating when he says something as rediculous as what he has stated.

This is a discussion about Syracuse vs. Buffalo and while I *get* that you're proud of Buffalo, your insulting people is a little odd... don't take it personally. It's just a discussion.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by proulxfamily

This is a discussion about Syracuse vs. Buffalo and while I *get* that you're proud of Buffalo, your insulting people is a little odd... don't take it personally. It's just a discussion.

Bingo! No need for inferiority complexes.

[SlickRick1]

Originally Posted by proulxfamily

This is a discussion about Syracuse vs. Buffalo and while I *get* that you're proud of Buffalo, your insulting people is a little odd... don't take it personally. It's just a discussion.

Wow, what an insult. For one I didn't insult anybody, I simply said that I would not respond to such an ignorant statement. Wow, what a slam! I guess I should be banned. If someone is going to claim that Buffalo's downtown is full of bullet holes, then yes, I would consider that an ignorant statement. Since I know that this is not the case.

It sounds to me like you are the one taking things so personal. I guess its not wise for someone to disagree with you about anything Syracuse, seeing how when it comes to Syracuse you can be a bit sensitive. I guess I was wrong about thinking that this was a forum where we were free to post our opinions. I mean surely its ok for you all to criticize Buffalo? But when someone points out their opinion about downtown Syracuse, you all get defensive and curl up in a fetal position crying foul. I mean if you are that sensitive about any criticism towards your city, then perhaps this is not the best site for you to be on.

I have been very civil in my approach to this topic. I called Syracuse's downtown "sad", trust me I could have been much more animated in my opinion of it. If someone doesn't think downtown Syracuse has much to offer,then they dont think downtown Syracuse has much to offer. Its as simple as that. It is just my opinion. Just like it is the opinion of the many who posted that downtown Syracuse is a superb place. As much as you all are entiltled to your opinion, so am I.

And by the way, to the guy saying "he" should take spelling lessons. I dont really know who you are reffering to but I would assume myself. For one, just to be clear, say who it is you are referring to next time. Two, if you are going to make outlandish claims. Then you should show what it is that you are referring to so that someone can atleast defend themselves, otherwise when you make such blanket statements without any evidence, you then make it hard for someone to take you seriously.

By the way, you all seem so very strong attacking one persons view. Why dont you post these very same opinions of yours over in the Buffalo forum and see how kind your responses will be. At least I can stand here just my one voice against all of yours and not be afraid to speak the truth. At least the truth to how I see it.

By the way, Go Orange!!!