Syracuse Suburban Sprawl, good or bad? (Franklin Square, Cicero: to rent, mortgage, safe neighborhood)

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by SteveMax58

Slightly OT but...

I think this is where you could give more incentives to city residents in regards to free abandoned warehouse/building spaces if their Primary residence is within the city limits(i.e. not a rental property they own). Easy win-win as you can structure such things with a profit sharing or at a minimum, property tax revenue.

This something that I am talking about regarding reusing these abandoned warehouses. Again, I like to use the example of the SouthSide Works in Pittsburgh: SouthSide Works - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Station Square: Station Square - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not only would this be "green" to do things like this, but it would be great if say Syracuse Research Corporation or Anaren could do the same thing as well for similar buildings we have here in Syracuse.

[jrice]

problem with doing something like that is it competes with the monstrosity on the lake

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by jrice

problem with doing something like that is it competes with the monstrosity on the lake

If it can be scaled down of spread out along the many warehouses on the West Side, it might work. That's why I think it would have to be a mixed use project, like the one they built in Armory Square with apartments/lofts and businesses below. I've always said that the huge warehouses on the corner of West St./Erie Boulevard West should be used like that.

[CNYDC]

Originally Posted by SteveMax58

Sprawl, in general, is financed by the same people who use it.

That's just not true. Sprawl was largely financed by the federel government through the federal highway system. If the interstates had never been built, then there would be no (or very limited) sprawl. And its the federal government that largely pays to maintain the country's highways, not local taxpayers per se. So we are all financing sprawl. You just have to look at the development of the Syracuse area to see the impact of highways. Its no accident that the east side of town (Manlius, Fayetteville, etc) has sprawled further out than the west side toward Marcellus and Skaneateles. You just have to look at the path of I-481 to realize why. What I am saying is that the cities have not received the same level of federal subsidy that the suburbs get in the form of highways.

Originally Posted by SteveMax58

But getting upset or mocking people with children (or even those who don't) who don't want to volunteer to be first to move back to the (figurative) city is not going to really solve anything. The first people you can attract are the very young adults, older adults w/o children first. Concentrate on their needs first...as a truly healthy city is not always affordable/conducive for middle class people w/ children to afford homes with yards, etc. in the city itself.

First, I hope that nothing I personally said implies that I am upset at or mocking anyone. I absolutely respect the right of people to live wherever they want. I am enjoying this excellent and spirited discussion. I totally agree that you must first attract the "risk oblivious" to the city. They create the buzz and the excitement, then over time, once the "place" has been created and a tax base has been generated, others will follow. But it cannot be done without government help and the city needs to receive at least as many dollars that the suburbs get to be successful.

[SteveMax58]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

This something that I am talking about regarding reusing these abandoned warehouses. Again, I like to use the example of the SouthSide Works in Pittsburgh: SouthSide Works - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Station Square: Station Square - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not only would this be "green" to do things like this, but it would be great if say Syracuse Research Corporation or Anaren could do the same thing as well for similar buildings we have here in Syracuse.

Station Square is a great example.

It is geographically situated perfectly to the rivers and stadium. Had a chance to work there for a few months and what a great place to eat, have few drinks, then take the ferry over to a preseason Steeler game. Great setup.

Syracuse has a lot of similar landscapes that could support something like this. With all the lakes I was surprised not to see more development on them (even though I guess I realize why not so much on Onondaga lake).

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by SteveMax58

Station Square is a great example.

It is geographically situated perfectly to the rivers and stadium. Had a chance to work there for a few months and what a great place to eat, have few drinks, then take the ferry over to a preseason Steeler game. Great setup.

Syracuse has a lot of similar landscapes that could support something like this. With all the lakes I was surprised not to see more development on them (even though I guess I realize why not so much on Onondaga lake).

I know. You would think the Inner Harbor would have been developed more, especially with the apartments in Franklin Square and the cleaning up of the area there. Actually, that would have been the perfect location for something similar to those projects.

Here's some projects that have been projected for Syracuse before:
Syracuse Comprehensive Plan

Here's more on resettlement in the area: Onondaga County Settlement Plan - Syracuse Then & Now

Here's something that talks about what CNYDC was referring to: Wanted: 60,000 new city residents

More about potential for Syracuse's future: Our Future

and more from this great site: Syracuse Then and Now
Links

http://yestercuse.com/index.htm

[CNYDC]

Thank you ckkthankgod for these EXCELLENT links. In particular, I watched the presentation at your "60,000 New City Residents" link and recommend everyone in this discussion view it.

I have quoted the link below for convenience:

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

Wanted: 60,000 new city residents

[beckyhuggs]

That was a very good video. A good video to educate ones self about the facts of city life in Syracuse.
I liked his idea of moving students to renovated apartment complexes downtown and taking back some of those grand old homes and converting them back into homes and family neighborhoods.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by beckyhuggs

That was a very good video. A good video to educate ones self about the facts of city life in Syracuse.
I liked his idea of moving students to renovated apartment complexes downtown and taking back some of those grand old homes and converting them back into homes and family neighborhoods.

I was thinking about that when I was driving around campus today. Great idea.......

[RollsRoyce]

Originally Posted by beckyhuggs

That was a very good video. A good video to educate ones self about the facts of city life in Syracuse.
I liked his idea of moving students to renovated apartment complexes downtown and taking back some of those grand old homes and converting them back into homes and family neighborhoods.

With the recent development of new dorms closer to the SU campus, the city and potentially the university should give incentives for multi family and "Inn & Tourist Lodge" zoned properties to be converted back to single family homes. With the projected decline in the number of SU students living in rental homes near the campus, there is a major risk that landlords will have few options but to rent to Section 8 tenants from low income housing projects near downtown and on East Fayette. Not only will this destabalize the neighborhood but will cause a massive flight of educated professionals affiliated with the university, medical corridor, and not-for-profit institutions on the east side. Home values which in many cases have experienced robust appreciation could drop significantly. The influx of displaced section 8 tenants and out-of-town slumlords can largely be attributed to the decline of the North Side.