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I know Geneva is within the viewing market for Syracuse local news, but for Channel 9 to call Geneva local and "Central New York" over and over again is a stretch IMO....don't you think?
-Geneva is two counties outside of Syracuse's CSA.
-Geneva is within the boundaries of Rochester's MSA. Rochester is called Western NY. I'd think that most people in Geneva think of themselves as either the Finger Lakes or Western NY, NOT Central NY.
While we are on this topic....
Ithaca
Even though many consider Ithaca Central NY, it isn't technically local IMO. Local means the Syracuse market to me. Syracuse's market is Onondaga, Madison, Oswego and Cayuga counties. It is hard to imagine anyone saying that any place outside those counties is "Syracuse".
Sorry, but I just don't get excited when Syracuse's MDA gives out grants to Ithaca's start up companies thinking that it's going to help the Syracuse area. Helping Ithaca or any place outside of Syracuse's CSA is just competition for us to deal with, which is not good for the Syracuse area IMO. Ithaca is not local, it has it's own Metropolitan area for heaven's sake and a CSA which includes Cortland County
I have yet to see Rochester's business community get excited about a company moving to Dansville, NY which is closer to Rochester than Syracuse is to Ithaca!
OK, I'm done. Just a little pet peeve I have with the local news.
I think the Ithaca thing has more to do with the TV market more than anything else. People in Ithaca get their news from either Syracuse, Binghamton or Elmira TV stations. So, I think that's why they cover that area so much. Same with Channel 5 with the Utica-Rome area, when they had a newscast. That area doesn't have a CBS affiliate. So, Syracuse was the closest one to that area, even if some parts of that metro might get the Albany or Watertown affiliate.
It's the same thing with Geneva. It technically is in the Rochester metro area, but is almost equally in between the two cities. So, they might view the Syracuse area TV stations.
I once knew someone from Geneva about 10 years ago. He knew almost nothing about Syracuse and had never been to Carousel Mall. Yet, he knew all about the Rochester area. I had the feeling that he looked down at Syracuse as a crummy city but look up to Rochester as the closest major city. He said he could watch the news from both Rochester and Syracuse...but that he almost always watch Rochester news if he watched the news at all.
I've come to the conclusion that some people in Syracuse care more about other cities Upstate outside our metro than people in those cities care about Syracuse....
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I know Geneva is within the viewing market for Syracuse local news, but for Channel 9 to call Geneva local and "Central New York" over and over again is a stretch IMO....don't you think?
-Geneva is two counties outside of Syracuse's CSA.
-Geneva is within the boundaries of Rochester's MSA. Rochester is called Western NY. I'd think that most people in Geneva think of themselves as either the Finger Lakes or Western NY, NOT Central NY.
While we are on this topic....
Ithaca
Even though many consider Ithaca Central NY, it isn't technically local IMO. Local means the Syracuse market to me. Syracuse's market is Onondaga, Madison, Oswego and Cayuga counties. It is hard to imagine anyone saying that any place outside those counties is "Syracuse".
Sorry, but I just don't get excited when Syracuse's MDA gives out grants to Ithaca's start up companies thinking that it's going to help the Syracuse area. Helping Ithaca or any place outside of Syracuse's CSA is just competition for us to deal with, which is not good for the Syracuse area IMO. Ithaca is not local, it has it's own Metropolitan area for heaven's sake and a CSA which includes Cortland County
I have yet to see Rochester's business community get excited about a company moving to Dansville, NY which is closer to Rochester than Syracuse is to Ithaca!
OK, I'm done. Just a little pet peeve I have with the local news.
The MDA's recent foray into the Ithaca area with their grant and incentive programs annoys me as well. The political and business community in Ithaca is milking this for as much as they can. They could care less about regional economic development and look at Syracuse as a crime ridden blue collar city with cookie cutter suburbs that is the antithesis of their sacred and sustainable utopia. While Ithaca is vibrant city and has a high tech economy, Syracuse needs all of the business development and commercialization incentives it can get and shouldn't be sharing the stage with Ithaca. Perhaps most pathetic, every year the MDA has organized it's "Grants for Growth and $100,000 business competition, an Ithaca area company has won, even though the Syracuse CSA and more than 7 times the population of Tompkins County. The presence of Cornell and all of the spinoff research it has generated has helped Ithaca tremendously. This will never happen in Syracuse as SU is more concerned about liberal arts than tech transfer. Although Welch Allyn's Blue Highway initiative and the COE is a step forward, it will never come close to rivaling the research power of Cornell or even SUNY Buffalo's Bioinformatics center. Further, Syracuse's business and community leaders could care less about High Tech industries and would rather please their union and blue collar constituents now reeling from massive layoffs. No one has the guts to tell Joe Sixpack of Brewerton that factory jobs are never coming back, especially considering New York's high utility costs and excessive regulation. Further, most manufacturer's will not locate in a state or region with high unionization rates which explains in part why communities like Cleveland, Toledo, Fort Wayne, Erie, Youngstown, Buffalo, Springfield, MA, and Scranton have been unable to attract new manufacturers and transition from a smokestack economy . I'm not attempting to slam unions, just stating the facts.
I'm not attempting to slam unions, just stating the facts.
And you've done that nicely - thanks. I think there are many business leaders and politicians locally who need to get realistic about what can work in the Syracuse area moving forward. Traditional manufacturing isn't it and never will be again. I work for a small technology design/manufacture firm that always was and always will be non-union. Our employees are well compensated by local standards but there's no room for unskilled workers and never will be. One of my neighbors was a skilled heavy manufacturing worker laid off from Carrier after thirty years. A year or so later he landed a position with Syrtec (the for profit tech manufacturing arm of SRC). He says the money's not as good as Carrier but he loves the work and is learning many new skills.
On a related topic - I was well pleased to see local coverage today of some of the research grants andf projects that will be taking place at the new COE when it opens.
I hope the Biotech Research Center gets up and running. Syracuse is well behind Buffalo and other upstate cities in tapping into biopharma. Although this industry is undergoing significant M&A activity and is highly concentrated in larger metro areas, particuarly Raleigh-Durham, Boston, and New Jersey, having a viable research partner with state-of-the art facilities could help cultivate local startups.
This project was initially purposed during the Pataki administration and has been stalled ever since.
Also, what ever happened to the Institute of Human Performance expansion that was approved by SUNY Upstate last year? I hope the budget cuts have not impacted this project. Additionally, the proposed Cancer Center should be a top priority as this will attract higher caliber doctors and researchers to Syracuse. Medical tourism through visiting patients, medical specialists, and other groups could help offset the projected loss in hotel business from the New Venture Gear closing and other downsizings.
I hope the Biotech Research Center gets up and running. Syracuse is well behind Buffalo and other upstate cities in tapping into biopharma. Although this industry is undergoing significant M&A activity and is highly concentrated in larger metro areas, particuarly Raleigh-Durham, Boston, and New Jersey, having a viable research partner with state-of-the art facilities could help cultivate local startups.
This project was initially purposed during the Pataki administration and has been stalled ever since.
Also, what ever happened to the Institute of Human Performance expansion that was approved by SUNY Upstate last year? I hope the budget cuts have not impacted this project. Additionally, the proposed Cancer Center should be a top priority as this will attract higher caliber doctors and researchers to Syracuse. Medical tourism through visiting patients, medical specialists, and other groups could help offset the projected loss in hotel business from the New Venture Gear closing and other downsizings.
Maybe someone could help this company get into that type of research on a private level: Hanford Pharmaceuticals
Maybe someone could help this company get into that type of research on a private level: Hanford Pharmaceuticals
The state recently dealt Hanford a blow when they decertified them from the Empire Zone program. I'm sure if this company were in the home districts of Patterson or Senate Majority Leader Malcom Smith, this wouldn't have ocurred. It must be very costly to operate that facility due to its age and location.
The MDA's recent foray into the Ithaca area with their grant and incentive programs annoys me as well. The political and business community in Ithaca is milking this for as much as they can. They could care less about regional economic development and look at Syracuse as a crime ridden blue collar city with cookie cutter suburbs that is the antithesis of their sacred and sustainable utopia. While Ithaca is vibrant city and has a high tech economy, Syracuse needs all of the business development and commercialization incentives it can get and shouldn't be sharing the stage with Ithaca. Perhaps most pathetic, every year the MDA has organized it's "Grants for Growth and $100,000 business competition, an Ithaca area company has won, even though the Syracuse CSA and more than 7 times the population of Tompkins County. The presence of Cornell and all of the spinoff research it has generated has helped Ithaca tremendously. This will never happen in Syracuse as SU is more concerned about liberal arts than tech transfer. Although Welch Allyn's Blue Highway initiative and the COE is a step forward, it will never come close to rivaling the research power of Cornell or even SUNY Buffalo's Bioinformatics center. Further, Syracuse's business and community leaders could care less about High Tech industries and would rather please their union and blue collar constituents now reeling from massive layoffs. No one has the guts to tell Joe Sixpack of Brewerton that factory jobs are never coming back, especially considering New York's high utility costs and excessive regulation. Further, most manufacturer's will not locate in a state or region with high unionization rates which explains in part why communities like Cleveland, Toledo, Fort Wayne, Erie, Youngstown, Buffalo, Springfield, MA, and Scranton have been unable to attract new manufacturers and transition from a smokestack economy . I'm not attempting to slam unions, just stating the facts.
Dude, you're awesome! Great post!
You have the amazing talent of taking fuzzy concepts and thoughts in my mind and conveying them clearly in words, so everyone else can understand them!
Going even more off topic.... if you try to explain to Syracuse area civic leaders that Syracuse shouldn't care about Ithaca, they try to shut you down by saying they doing regional economic development. But then you try to explain to Syracuse area civic leaders that the Syracuse suburbs shouldn't be totally ignored, they try to shut you down by saying that the city is what matters, and that the suburbs take away from the city. All I have to say is this just more backwards thinking that is so typical of this area.
Syracuse area civic leaders either make the economic development pie too big...including Ithaca or too small...just focusing on the city. The answer is somewhere in the middle!
What should matter in economic development is the Syracuse metropolitan area and more specifically, the Syracuse urbanized area. Focus solely that and you're set.
It's so frustrating that is Rochester civic leaders "get it", Charlotte, NC civic leaders "get it"... yet Syracuse civic leadership never does "get it".
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if you try to explain to Syracuse area civic leaders that Syracuse shouldn't care about Ithaca, they try to shut you down by saying they doing regional economic development. But then you try to explain to Syracuse area civic leaders that the Syracuse suburbs shouldn't be totally ignored, they try to shut you down by saying that the city is what matters, and that the suburbs take away from the city. All I have to say is this just more backwards thinking that is so typical of this area.
