People moving back to Northern States from Sunbelt states for many reasons. (New York: houses, unemployment)

[cny2cnc]

I'm in central North Carolina, after living in Central & Northern NY for most of my life. I miss the food, like Hoffman Hot Dogs--and I miss ice cream & milk that doesn't cost a fortune like it does here. What I don't miss is the snow of Oswego & Jefferson Counties.
The unemployment rate for North Carolina when I first moved here in 2005 was around 3%, now it's up to 12-13%. That is one of the major reasons people have begun to leave and return back to their home states. It's ok to have unemployment that high if you're a retiree, but difficult for everyone else.

[NewYorkBorn]

Originally Posted by cny2cnc

I'm in central North Carolina, after living in Central & Northern NY for most of my life. I miss the food, like Hoffman Hot Dogs--and I miss ice cream & milk that doesn't cost a fortune like it does here. What I don't miss is the snow of Oswego & Jefferson Counties.
The unemployment rate for North Carolina when I first moved here in 2005 was around 3%, now it's up to 12-13%. That is one of the major reasons people have begun to leave and return back to their home states. It's ok to have unemployment that high if you're a retiree, but difficult for everyone else.

The horrible employment situation, limited job opportunities and low pay scales are what made me understand that the grass was not greener in South Carolina.........after living in the south for a few years I ran back to NYC.

Having warmer weather is great but not when you are broke, can't find decent paying work and living in a state that is economically 20 years behind the rest of the US. Would rather deal with a couple of months of NYC snow and have all of the opportunities that NY offers. Lesson learned, still have my home in SC and can always spend my vacations in the south.

[grdnrman]

Originally Posted by cny2cnc

I'm in central North Carolina, after living in Central & Northern NY for most of my life. I miss the food, like Hoffman Hot Dogs--and I miss ice cream & milk that doesn't cost a fortune like it does here. What I don't miss is the snow of Oswego & Jefferson Counties.
The unemployment rate for North Carolina when I first moved here in 2005 was around 3%, now it's up to 12-13%. That is one of the major reasons people have begun to leave and return back to their home states. It's ok to have unemployment that high if you're a retiree, but difficult for everyone else.

Syracuse/Central New York does have a lot of good food products of all kinds both fresh from our farms and manufactured by numerous local companies. Yes, Hoffman Hot Dogs, Gianelli Sausage, Steigerwald-Liehs Hot Dogs/Sausage/Meats, Perry's Ice Cream, Byrne Dairy Ice Cream/Milk products, Terrell's Potato Chips, Croghan Bologna, assorted baked goods homemade & sold by farmers wives, NYS Maple Syrup, fresh Cheese & Cheese Curd, Twin Trees Pizza, Dinosaur Bar-B-Q, Paul De Lima Coffees, and other products too numerous to mention. All the farmers markets across Upstate New York. There's nothing better than the taste of fresh vegetables and fruits grown on the gently rolling fields of all our Upstate farms=apples, pears, peaches, plums, apricots, grapes & wine, strawberries, raspberries, cherries, apple cider, sweet corn, tomatoes, peas, peppers, string beans, squash, pumpkins, lettuce, cucumbers, potatoes, fresh eggs from the farm, and so many other fresh foods that you know were grown locally/nearby and not shipped here from hundreds of miles away. Anyone who grew up or has lived in Central/Western/Eastern/Northern New York can recall memories of the abundance/availability of fresh foods throughout New York State; New York State is NOT a one crop state.

You mention the snow of Oswego & Jefferson counties which comes onland from Lake Ontario & other Great Lakes. You are correct. Remember, the snow and rainfall from the Great Lakes helps provide water for all our numerous lakes, rivers, & streams of New York. Just think, some states and their people envy New York State for our great fresh water resources=Can you say Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah, and some other western & southern states?? Rather than fight the snow of the Oswego & Jefferson region, many people participate in snow sports like=snowmobiling, downhill & cross country skiing, ice skating, snowboarding, & snow shoeing. Other people who don't want to venture out on snowy days simply relax in front of a blazing fireplace, pop some popcorn, watch a DVD movie, do some household chores, or whatever; the snowfall IS survivable & liveable when you don't fight it.

And I know I don't have to mention all the other good qualities/aspects of New York State which are not limited to weather & temperatures. If you are in the Sunbelt states, do you ever get tired of the oppressive unending heat wave temperatures and high humidity? = Constant 90 to 115 degree days with NO relief unless you stay inside an air conditioned building or vehicle? Upstate New York can have high temperatures but we do get relief and gentle winds (as opposed to tornadoes) to cool us off. We are not Utopia BUT, I Do Love New York State & the New England States.

[cny2cnc]

The snowfall is great if you don't have to drive to work (and home) in it every day! Not everyone can stay home when the massive snowfalls arrive overnight. I am a 50-ish woman and let me tell you, I got really tired of having a plow guy show up too late, or finish my driveway, then have the snowplow go by and leave another 4 feet in it. Snowblowing my driveway myself was another option, some days I had to do it 3 times a day just to be able to get into my driveway or out to get to work. Also, clearing my roof with a roof rake wasn't too easy without a lot of upper body strength. So, while the snow was beautiful, it was also a pain to deal with. The heat here in NC is oppressive sometimes, but you stay inside with the AC on and enjoy the spring, fall, and even winter more than summer. I sure do miss Gianelli sausages with peppers & onions, though...and but I can ice skate in Greensboro (NC) all year around indoors.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by cny2cnc

The snowfall is great if you don't have to drive to work (and home) in it every day! Not everyone can stay home when the massive snowfalls arrive overnight. I am a 50-ish woman and let me tell you, I got really tired of having a plow guy show up too late, or finish my driveway, then have the snowplow go by and leave another 4 feet in it. Snowblowing my driveway myself was another option, some days I had to do it 3 times a day just to be able to get into my driveway or out to get to work. Also, clearing my roof with a roof rake wasn't too easy without a lot of upper body strength. So, while the snow was beautiful, it was also a pain to deal with. The heat here in NC is oppressive sometimes, but you stay inside with the AC on and enjoy the spring, fall, and even winter more than summer. I sure do miss Gianelli sausages with peppers & onions, though...and but I can ice skate in Greensboro (NC) all year around indoors.

Were there any kids in the neighborhood? I didn't know that we got snow everyday in the winter either, but I understand the concern.

Also, how do you enjoy those seasons inside? I'm just asking......

[cny2cnc]

The only time you really stay inside is summer -- June, July & August. By September, it gets cool enough at night to actually open the windows back up. You can plant trees all winter long, because the ground never freezes. Also, broccoli, peas & spinach are planted in November or December. And yes, it did snow pretty much every day, I lived in Pulaski which is a whole lot different than the Syracuse area, and I also lived in Ellisburg, which is about 10 miles south of Adams. No kids would be able to shovel that much snow, not even mine!

[grdnrman]

Originally Posted by cny2cnc

The snowfall is great if you don't have to drive to work (and home) in it every day! Not everyone can stay home when the massive snowfalls arrive overnight. I am a 50-ish woman and let me tell you, I got really tired of having a plow guy show up too late, or finish my driveway, then have the snowplow go by and leave another 4 feet in it. Snowblowing my driveway myself was another option, some days I had to do it 3 times a day just to be able to get into my driveway or out to get to work. Also, clearing my roof with a roof rake wasn't too easy without a lot of upper body strength. So, while the snow was beautiful, it was also a pain to deal with. The heat here in NC is oppressive sometimes, but you stay inside with the AC on and enjoy the spring, fall, and even winter more than summer. I sure do miss Gianelli sausages with peppers & onions, though...and but I can ice skate in Greensboro (NC) all year around indoors.

To cny2cnc-- I do understand what you mean about heavy snowfall in some areas here in New York State. The heaviest snowfall usually comes on land=inland 30/45 miles or so, off Lake Erie from Buffalo southwest to Fredonia and to Erie-Pennsylvania and closer to my location, off Lake Ontario eastward & southeastward 30/45 miles from Oswego city to Fulton to Phoenix eastward to Central Square east across Oneida Lake to the Rome area north to Boonville then the western half of Lewis county to Watertown (Jefferson county) and then north to Cape Vincent. Anyone chosing to live in that region can and should expect a lot of snow when a storm occurs; which can be often. That's why I chose to live in Cicero and I wouldn't want to live any farther north than Brewerton. Last year I only had to have my driveway plowed 3 - 4 times all winter. The rest of the winter, pushing a snowshovel across the driveway was enough to clear it for my small SUV. A lot of my neighbors want to be able to see down to the blacktop surface of their driveways everyday so they work a little more to scrape every last snowflake off their driveways. I don't need to see my blacktop driveway surface so if I have 1" of snow I don't feel it necessary to scape that off; I figure it will melt in a day or two. Yes, we can get a heavy snowfall here in Cicero & Syracuse but not the amounts they receive north of here. The highway departments snowplow crews around metro Syracuse & Suburbs, I feel, do an excellent job of keeping our roads/streets clear for both going TO work in early morning and RETURNING home late at night. I can't deny it though, yes, metro Syracuse does receive the most amount of snow of the four largest Upstate NY cities=Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany/Capital District. A relative of mine who lives in northeastern Lewis county says that they no longer receive the snowfall that they used to receive say 10 years ago. Don't get me wrong. Four feet of snowfall in a one or two day snow storm on the whole Tug Hill Plateau or in the area from Fulton to Parish to Pulaski (fishermens paradise) to Adams DOES happen. That is NOT an area to live in a bad winter unless you definitely want to remove snow maybe every time you want to drive anywhere; of course there are days with sunshine or less snowfall but THAT IS snow country! You may or may not know it but there is usually much LESS SNOWFALL around the Albany/Capital District area, also around Elmira, also the southern Hudson River Valley area. Not that those areas don't get ANY snow but I've been in those areas in Mid-Winter and can see the green grass and the land with some patches of snow here and there. Of course there are going to be snow storms in those areas but the snow will usually melt away in a few days of mild temps. Everyone has to make their own choices as to where they want to live. I've spent time and lived in places/states from Maine to Florida and I can say that I love my beautiful Upstate New York the best. The only other areas I'd consider are Vermont, southern New Hampshire and the eastern half of Massachusetts. Those areas of New England states & Upstate New York offer both good sized cities as well as nice smaller towns, rural countryside, mountains/lakes and wilderness areas all a short drive from home. I'm glad that you are happy in North Carolina, being happy/satisfied is all that matters.

[grdnrman]

Originally Posted by cny2cnc

The only time you really stay inside is summer -- June, July & August. By September, it gets cool enough at night to actually open the windows back up. You can plant trees all winter long, because the ground never freezes. Also, broccoli, peas & spinach are planted in November or December. And yes, it did snow pretty much every day, I lived in Pulaski which is a whole lot different than the Syracuse area, and I also lived in Ellisburg, which is about 10 miles south of Adams. No kids would be able to shovel that much snow, not even mine!

Oh yes, Pulaski-Ellisburg-Adams area, that's exactly in the middle of the region that I pointed out in my other post, that receives the heaviest snow being directly east of snow storm enabling/causing Lake Ontario. I will tell you though that Pulaski has a great asset/attraction. In September & October, fishermen from all over the Eastern U.S. states and nearby Canada love Pulaski & the Salmon River. They flock to Pulaski to catch the huge Salmon that are swimming/returning from Lake Ontario back into/up the Salmon River. I've seen fishermen from Mississippi, Georgia, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, and NY plus Ontario & Quebec. So your former home Pulaski is famous for both Snow and SALMON fishing.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by cny2cnc

The only time you really stay inside is summer -- June, July & August. By September, it gets cool enough at night to actually open the windows back up. You can plant trees all winter long, because the ground never freezes. Also, broccoli, peas & spinach are planted in November or December. And yes, it did snow pretty much every day, I lived in Pulaski which is a whole lot different than the Syracuse area, and I also lived in Ellisburg, which is about 10 miles south of Adams. No kids would be able to shovel that much snow, not even mine!

No wonder. You lived in the heart of the snow belt. Trust me, I've driven through many a snowstorm on my way back and forth to and from Ft. Drum. For the most part, the roads were actually pretty good, except when there were storms.

As for NC, my sister lives there and it can get cold, but it's isn't that bad. It can very hot though. It sounds like people treat summer there the way we treat winter, give or take.

[lovethelhasa]

Twin trees has good pizza? I think it is a rip off and tastes terrible