Syracuse or Ithaca? (New York, Cortland, Dryden: real estate, high crime, credit)

[schayban88]

Originally Posted by urbanplanner

Though my heart with Syracuse, which is diversifying its economy and offers a lot of amenities. I would seriously consider Ithaca as an option.

It has all the amenties of a large metropolitan area, anchored by Cornell University and Ithaca College. Ithaca boasts a greater number of restaurants (per capita) than NYC. I am going to attach the following links for you to judtge for yourself, it is "gorges" (which is its motto):

Ithaca, New York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Visitor Info - Visit Ithaca

Ithaca Hours - Local Currency - Ithaca, New York

Sciencenter, Ithaca NY

Upstate NY & Finger Lakes ~ Official Bed and Breakfast Association of Greater Ithaca

Moosewood Restaurant - Ithaca, NY (world famous vegetarian, bet you never heard of it? )

Home > Downtown Ithaca Alliance

Ithaca Commons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cornell University

Ithaca College, Ithaca, NY

Cornell Business & Technology Park

Ithaca

Tompkins County | Home Page |

Home in Fly Ithaca : Ithaca Tompkins Regional Airport, New York (Syracuse Hancock Int'l Airport is a 40 mile drive from Ithaca Airport)

ithaca is gorges - Google Images

I know you will love Ithaca, you can also check out Cortland, NY which is 15 miles aware. Cortland is the home of the State University of New York at Cortland. The city is making strides to become a more cultural and entertaining location. Cortland is only 26 miles south of Syracuse, 15 miles east of Ithaca.

City of Cortland Official Web Site

City of Cortland NY Dining and Lodging

SUNY Cortland - Home Page

Welcome to The Cortland Connection in Cortland NY!

Good luck with your decision!!

You have to be kidding me. First of the amount of restaurants per capita does not mean crap. No matter what there is way more restaurants in Syracuse. Syracuse has more colleges than Ithaca. In Syracuse there is Syracuse University which is huge, SUNY Upstate medical university, SUNY Environmental and Forestry, Onondaga Commmunity College, Lemoyne College, Byran and Stratton, ITT Tech and Empire college. Also, Syracuse has a way more diverse economy and a lot more jobs coming to the Syracuse area such as Syracuse Center of Excellence which has just been built in downtown Syracuse, CNY Biotechnology Research Center, childrens hospital just opened up. SUNY Upstate is building a cancer research center and a heart center. SU and SUNY Upstate continue to expand their colleges. St. Joeseph's hospital just announced they will spend 240 million dollars to expand, JP Morgan chase just added a technology center and will add a bunch of jobs for a new cyber program they are launching. Syracuse technology garden continues to grow. Syracuse's metro population is 650,000, Ithaca's metro population is 100,000. The city of Syracuse has 40 thousand more people than the whole metro of Ithaca's. At the same time there are plenty of rural areas in Onondaga county. Especially Jordan-Elbridge and anything south of Nedrow. Also, there has been 300 cases of Swine flu at Cornell University. In the end my point is you might as well raise a family where they have plenty of opportunity and still enjoy where you live. Onondaga county provides that for any children you may or plan on having. Ithaca provides very little.

[urbanplanner]

You need to relax schyadan88!!

If you read my post, I said it would make a nice "option" since they inquired about Ithaca. I was NOT bashing Syracuse, nor did I suggest that Ithaca has more colleges than Syracuse. I am also quite aware of all the new projects that are underway (or open) in Syracuse, like the Galisano Childrens Hospital, Center of Excellence and the CNY Biotechnology Center. I have posted numberous links on the Syracsue area, which far exceed Ithaca. Relax!

[urbanplanner]

One more thing schyaden88, please do not use the misfortune of another community to boast the image of your own. I mean come on, you said "Also, there has been 300 cases of Swine flu at Cornell University." Moderator cut: personal attack It may happen in Syracuse one day (God forbid!) and you will not want another community to do the same.

[schayban88]

All right Urban Planner Moderator cut: personal attack second of all I only talk about facts. 300 cases of swine flu really did happen, I'm going to college in Buffalo and I still heard it on the Buffalo news. Anyways your location says Florida Moderator cut: personal attack and you are living in Florida thinking it is so much better then New York when it really is a lot worse when you factor in Hurricanes, how much rain Florida gets each day and how bad the state of Florida is. Half the people there are either illegal aliens, on drugs, and are or did commit some type of crime. (not saying everybody but a large majority)

[organick]

Originally Posted by schayban88

All right Urban Planner first of all at least I can spell, second of all I only talk about facts. 300 cases of swine flu really did happen, I'm going to college in Buffalo and I still heard it on the Buffalo news. Anyways your location says Florida so why the hell do you care what goes on in New York, you are probably old as hell and you are living in Florida thinking it is so much better then New York when it really is a lot worse when you factor in Hurricanes, how much rain Florida gets each day and how bad the state of Florida is. Half the people there are either illegal aliens, on drugs, and are or did commit some type of crime. (not saying everybody but a large majority)

Wow that is an amazingly large generalization of an entire state.......Half the people???????

Plus how can you use swine flu as negattive for a city? The most common place the flu has been is in colleges because of the close living quarters. I mean that really has nothing whatsoever to do with one moving to an area.

[proulxfamily]

Originally Posted by schayban88

Anyways your location says Florida so why the hell do you care what goes on in New York, you are probably old as hell and you are living in Florida thinking it is so much better then New York when it really is a lot worse when you factor in Hurricanes, how much rain Florida gets each day and how bad the state of Florida is. Half the people there are either illegal aliens, on drugs, and are or did commit some type of crime. (not saying everybody but a large majority)

1) If I EVER decide to move from Syracuse, you can bet that I would still be *knowledgeable* of it and feel comfortable making posts here. I was born and raised here for several decades now, my parents were raised here, my grandparents met at and graduated from Syracuse University in the 50's... even if I lived in Edinborough, I would still post here with confidence and pride in my hometown.

2) People are *allowed* to retain knowledge of places they've either lived in or visited. You are NOT the final authority.

3) If making gross generalisations like those you've just posted hasn't gotten you into trouble countless times already, they most certainly will at some point. You simply cannot be so indignant against subjects/people you have little to no knowledge of... charging in blindly, likely unjustified, is going to hurt you in life more than you know yet.

Again, relax. Let it go. No one is against you but seriously- chill. It's okay to be wrong. It's not embarrassing... unless you choose to believe them still to spite others.

[schayban88]

Originally Posted by proulxfamily

1) If I EVER decide to move from Syracuse, you can bet that I would still be *knowledgeable* of it and feel comfortable making posts here. I was born and raised here for several decades now, my parents were raised here, my grandparents met at and graduated from Syracuse University in the 50's... even if I lived in Edinborough, I would still post here with confidence and pride in my hometown.

2) People are *allowed* to retain knowledge of places they've either lived in or visited. You are NOT the final authority.

3) If making gross generalisations like those you've just posted hasn't gotten you into trouble countless times already, they most certainly will at some point. You simply cannot be so indignant against subjects/people you have little to no knowledge of... charging in blindly, likely unjustified, is going to hurt you in life more than you know yet.

Again, relax. Let it go. No one is against you but seriously- chill. It's okay to be wrong. It's not embarrassing... unless you choose to believe them still to spite others.

This goes out to Proloux and organick so listen up I'm going to keep this nice and sweet. I made Florida look bad, yeah you're right, but I hate when people leave Syracuse to live in Florida because they think Florida is so much better and tell everyone how much they love Florida. Then they go on websites like Syracuse.com or the Syracuse forum and they want to see every little thing that is going on in Syracuse. They make comments on Syracuse.com and on this forum all the time. If you moved from this area and you supposedly hate Syracuse so much then why are you seeing everything that goes on and making comments. You left, that's that. Then urban planner wants to come in and tell people to move to Ithaca and they do not even live here? They have little factual information and little ideas about both cities. Come on now...to make it worse he or she wants to tell this person to move to Ithaca to keep people away from Syracuse. Lets be real...Syracuse has a lot more going for it then Ithaca does. I made the comment about swine flu looking out for the lady who has no idea where she can possibly get herself into. No matter what, it is a fact, they have had 300 cases of swine flue, Syracuse has not had nearly as close, I believe it is somewhere around 10 cases. So in my eyes I'm not making Ithaca look bad, I am looking out for the person. So next time you stick your nose in business, get your facts straight before you make assumptions. It just shows how shady you are by not alerting this person about a very serious problem and then you want to make me look bad for looking out for this person. To this person that plans on moving to the area, do not get me wrong, Ithaca is a nice small little town, if you smoke it might not be good for you, they are making it illegal to smoke in city limits. If you like quietness and nice country side, you can get all of that in Onondaga county and you can also get the benefits of having a city. Not trying to bash on Ithaca, I am just trying to look out of you. Hopefully you love it where ever you stay.

[cny4seasons]

Ithaca is a college town.

I know, someone mentioned Auburn. It's is a small center of retail, basically. (No offense to the history of the town, it is what is it now...).

If you really want to find a place with land that embodies the spirit? Anywhere in Cayuga County, or any of the Finger Lakes communities. The whole area involves small farmers going organic and dairymen still working small-scale farms. Milk is only cheap here in NYS because of our proximity to Dairy! And they don't earn what they are putting into their work. But, that is another story.

[cny4seasons]

Oh, crap, I've just posted from the original poster and now I see the whole thread. Sorry.

[proulxfamily]

No one was saying Ithaca is better than Syracuse... they're providing enough information so that others can make the right choice *for them.* I love Syracuse - it would take an enormous opportunity and even larger pay grade to entice me to leave - but I suffer from no delusions that it's a great place for EVERYONE. They need to ask for information [which the op did], research the information [all the posters you berate and others have] provided, and make the best choice for *their own situation.*

If I was even slightly more "crunchy", I would probably prefer Ithaca over Syracuse... not that Ithaca is better than Syracuse, but that it would be *better for me, my lifestyle and my goals.*

To paraphrase the general tone of posts in this thread, until your entrance- "Here is raw information and my own description of the 'flavour' of that area... good luck to you as you make your decision." That's all anyone is saying. You're getting angry with people who LIKE Syracuse because they provided information on another city- why would you care? The OP needs to make a decision between two cities and more information can only help. Ithaca may not be right for him/her... Syracuse may not be right for him/her. Let other people make that determination for themselves.