Syracuse's BEA is....... (Buffalo, Rochester, Albany: motel, house, buy)

[ckhthankgod]

actually the second biggest in NY State: BEA : CA1-3 - Population*1/

That means the regional coverage in terms of economic influence.

[RollsRoyce]

Very Interesting. Thanks!

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by RollsRoyce

Very Interesting. Thanks!

I'm not surprised, because if you think about the I-81 corridor, Syracuse is in the heart of that for NY State. Then, you think about surrounding counties just outside of the Syracuse Metro area and those counties get a lot of their media and other influences from Syracuse. So, I can see how Syracuse's influence can be that big.

[ki0eh]

I think that's true, if mainly because the relative proximity of Rochester and Buffalo kind of cancel each other out.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by ki0eh

I think that's true, if mainly because the relative proximity of Rochester and Buffalo kind of cancel each other out.

With Buffalo and Rochester, I think it is a matter of geography. They can't claim as much North of them like the Syracuse BEA can. So, they hit a wall, in a sense with Lake Ontario, whereas Syracuse's geography allows the influence to go to the NY/Ontario border. Both of those areas stretch to the Southern Tier/Pennsylvania border below them like the Syracuse BEA does.

[ki0eh]

Actually the maps show Buff and Roch BEA's extending into PA. If you stay at motels in Warren or Coudersport you get Buffalo TV.

[urbanplanner]

Very impressive, I have not seen those statistics before. It is nice to think I come from an area of almost 2 million people, wow! Cool! I am also surprised that Syracuse/Auburn surpases Buffalo, Rocherster and Albany on the list. Has anyone noticed any county double counting? Meaning, has a county appeared on more than one list among the upstate cities listed?

In any case, it would be wise for local leaders to use this data when marketing the area, particularly airlines. It is how Albany landed Southwest Airlines (SWA). SWA would not consider Albany because its metro area totaled 850,000 people, SWA required 1 million people within a marketing area for consideration. Local leaders educated SWA on Albany's influence on the Hudson Valley; southern Vermont; and western Mass which brought them over the 1 million mark; coupled with some incentives (including two gates at their new airport), Albany "landed" SWA. I report this from memory, but I will try to dig up the article.

I have been saying this for the longest time, Syracuse should not define itself by (I believe flawed) Federal Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) parameters. Syracuse's MSA includes Oswego; Madison and Onondaga Counties. Syracuse's influence goes well beyond those three counties.

I have used a crude, unscientific methodolgy that shows that Syracuse's MSA should be a lot larger. If you were to draw a 50 mile radius around Clinton Square, you would have approximately 1 million people. The population would encompus areas of the region that are not currently in the Syracuse MSA.

Using the methodology I mentioned, the Syracuse and Utica MSA's combined are approximately 1 million (if you include Cayuga County in Syracuse MSA). The radius would also include Cortland County (which is part of the Ithaca's Micropolitan Statistical Area) and Oneida County (part of the Utica/Rome MSA, which include Oneida and Herkimer County). Although Herkimer County would be outside the 50 mile radius for the most part. In my opinion, a "Combined Metropolitan Statistical Area" should be established for Syracuse and Utica.

If you are a nerd like me, have some fun and tally up the populatioins. The influence of Syracuse on the CNY region (and eastern Ontario) is emense and should be capitaltized as indicated by the data provided by ckhthankgod.

Thanks ckhthankgod.

SYRACUSE NEEDS TO THINK REGIONALLY!!!

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by ki0eh

Actually the maps show Buff and Roch BEA's extending into PA. If you stay at motels in Warren or Coudersport you get Buffalo TV.

Interesting and I thought about that. Adelphia Communications did have offices in Coudersport and owned Empire Sports, which was based in Buffalo.

Syracuse's influence might stretch slightly into PA, perhaps?

[ki0eh]

The donation bins at the Wellsboro and Mansfield McDonald's are for the Ronald McDonald House of CNY. But if you're in too bad shape for the Wellsboro ER the hierarchy seems to be Arnot-Ogden in Elmira, then Strong in Rochester.

Towanda has (had?) a P&C instead of a BiLo, for another data point. But it was BiLo in Wellsboro and (formerly) Mansfield.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by urbanplanner

Very impressive, I have not seen those statistics before. It is nice to think I come from an area of almost 2 million people, wow! Cool! I am also surprised that Syracuse/Auburn surpases Buffalo, Rocherster and Albany on the list. Has anyone noticed any county double counting? Meaning, has a county appeared on more than one list among the upstate cities listed?

In any case, it would be wise for local leaders to use this data when marketing the area, particularly airlines. It is how Albany landed Southwest Airlines (SWA). SWA would not consider Albany because its metro area totaled 850,000 people, SWA required 1 million people within a marketing area for consideration. Local leaders educated SWA on Albany's influence on the Hudson Valley; southern Vermont; and western Mass which brought them over the 1 million mark; coupled with some incentives (including two gates at their new airport), Albany "landed" SWA. I report this from memory, but I will try to dig up the article.

I have been saying this for the longest time, Syracuse should not define itself by (I believe flawed) Federal Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) parameters. Syracuse's MSA includes Oswego; Madison and Onondaga Counties. Syracuse's influence goes well beyond those three counties.

I have used a crude, unscientific methodolgy that shows that Syracuse's MSA should be a lot larger. If you were to draw a 50 mile radius around Clinton Square, you would have approximately 1 million people. The population would encompus areas of the region that are not currently in the Syracuse MSA.

Using the methodology I mentioned, the Syracuse and Utica MSA's combined are approximately 1 million (if you include Cayuga County in Syracuse MSA). The radius would also include Cortland County (which is part of the Ithaca's Micropolitan Statistical Area) and Oneida County (part of the Utica/Rome MSA, which include Oneida and Herkimer County). Although Herkimer County would be outside the 50 mile radius for the most part. In my opinion, a "Combined Metropolitan Statistical Area" should be established for Syracuse and Utica.

If you are a nerd like me, have some fun and tally up the populatioins. The influence of Syracuse on the CNY region (and eastern Ontario) is emense and should be capitaltized as indicated by the data provided by ckhthankgod.

Thanks ckhthankgod.

SYRACUSE NEEDS TO THINK REGIONALLY!!!

All of this is true and I wonder if any of the area politicians are even privvy to this information. Like you said, while Syracuse's Metro is technically Onondaga, Oswego and Madison Counties, the influence is felt beyond that. For instance, when I was stationed at Fort Drum, I could buy the Post-Standard just outside of post and the NBC affiliate they got on the cable system there was WSTM-3. I even remember going to Kingston Ontario as a kid and watching Channel 9 at a Motel there and the TV didn't have cable on it, if I'm not mistaken. Even in the Binghamton Metro, you can see the influence there in terms of media as well. So, syracuse even influences 3 other Metros close by and the Watertown/Fort Drum/North Country area too. If you could include Ontario and Pennsylvania, it probably would go over 2 million people that are influence to some degree.

I go on the Canadian forum sometimes and a guy from Ottawa told me that people from ottawa actually take flights out of Hancock International, because it is cheaper. Think about that considering Ottawa that has over 1 million people in the immediate area. Syracuse definitely needs to capitalize off of it's geography more than it does.