12-16-2010, 06:39 PM
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I scrolled from top to bottom and didn't see a photo of Tampa there...
There you go second paragraph:
"Cities generally have advanced systems for sanitation, utilities, land usage, housing, and
transportation . The concentration of
development greatly facilitates interaction between people and businesses , benefiting both parties in the process. "
We have a disconnect here "land wise"/"distance wise"...and we will always have that because this
"city" was not planned that way in recent history, because if you look way back, you will see downtown/Ybor/Craftsman style homes all over and around IT, however, the "northerner migration" instead of concentrating close to down town continuing the existing normal path of the city, it went out on pastures and kicked the cows to the curve along with the citrus trees!
I get expansion, but go up...not away! expand proportionally...so you can continue having public transit etc, continue that along with the building expansion...
...Tampa is still in small town mode...
nothing wrong with that! OK
but if "anyone else" is asking comparative questions with areas that are indeed "real cities"...I can't tell them they will find that here. Or anywhere else in Florida except for Miami.
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12-16-2010, 06:53 PM
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Actually Tampa isn't even on par with Phoenix, which I've been researching lately. I might move there after college. Either that or Los Angeles.
Phoenix Population:
City: 1.6 million
MSA: 4.3 million
They have the whole desert they can keep spreading out into. It's like the Roman Empire. Just build more freeways.
Tampa Population:
City:344 thousand
MSA: 2.7 million
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algia
Tampa is a
Giant suburb! just like Phoenix...it is a place where it doesn't snow and for a lot of ppl that is enough to call it home....is that hilarious enough for you? I wish that weren't true...but it is....because if you read the posts on this board, everyone looking to move here starts a thread on the weather....then moves onto "how the job market" and "schools"!
It really feels like "suburbia & the chains" are slowly swallowing it! soon they'll demolish the downtown for more sub divisions...and more sub divisions and even more sub divisions to accommodate everyone that is allergic to cold! which is fine with me, less crowds for us up north to deal with (yeah, wish that were true
)....hell, I hope the cows will eventually revolt and reclaim their land back! hahahahahaha
Hey Mike, didn't you say you were from NY? because if you are really in need to define that, you may have missed a lot....
12-16-2010, 07:08 PM
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We considered Phoenix as well for the dry air...but in the end as much as I would love to have the Grand Cayon in my back yard, we decided to go north east...Phoenix is an even larger sprawl where once again, public transit is an issue and all tho better than here, it is subdivision world there too! If you go that way, might as well go all the way to Cali!
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Actually Tampa isn't even on par with Phoenix, which I've been researching lately. I might move there after college. Either that or Los Angeles.
12-16-2010, 08:48 PM
Location: Hernando County, FL
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Originally Posted by
algia
Tampa is a
Giant suburb! just like Phoenix...it is a place where it doesn't snow and for a lot of ppl that is enough to call it home....is that hilarious enough for you? I wish that weren't true...but it is....because if you read the posts on this board, everyone looking to move here starts a thread on the weather....then moves onto "how the job market" and "schools"!
It really feels like "suburbia & the chains" are slowly swallowing it! soon they'll demolish the downtown for more sub divisions...and more sub divisions and even more sub divisions to accommodate everyone that is allergic to cold! which is fine with me, less crowds for us up north to deal with (yeah, wish that were true
)....hell, I hope the cows will eventually revolt and reclaim their land back! hahahahahaha
Hey Mike, didn't you say you were from NY? because if you are really in need to define that, you may have missed a lot....
As I thought you really have no answer.
I will just refer to my post in another thread which addresses the "real city" issue.
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It is a vague term used by some here to attempt to demean another area when they have no REAL points to make.
12-16-2010, 09:02 PM
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no, no....you can't stand that there are ppl who prefer a different lifestyle and call this one for what it is.
As i said before, nothing wrong with it, not the only sprawl either, you can't tell me it is different because if you count the subdivisions and chains versus original shops and homes you will come up short on the second. Very short.
The northener migration could have been very beneficial IF architects and builders etc actually took this opportunity and expand by creating new and original places rather than build the same house and only change the subdivision name.
I answered your question, you just didn't like my answer....
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As I thought you really have no answer.
12-16-2010, 09:07 PM
Location: Hernando County, FL
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algia
Fine, you're not going to like this but here it goes, you asked for it:
1. 1st and foremost: Public transit, any city without it can't call itself a "city", we could call ourselves "Car World"! and have a giant Gorilla with a Hummer on it as a mascot! or "Dealershipland"! Your choice! since we live in "Theme Park" state! might as well keep up with that trend!
Tampa has public transit. Strike one.
2. Buildings everywhere next to each other not separated by nothing or shacks! or a strip joint!
3. Less dilapidation, and more chick and modern constructions (judging ONLY by Tampa standards, it doesn't look like architects have any freehand, all the shopping plaza's are the same, bland looking waste of construction materials, I would hate to think the architects around are really just that uninspired)! Why does everything has to be this uniform? are we heading towards communism? just curious! none of these have a style other than "let's build something fast and cheap"....I am not an architect, and my hand drawing skills are the same as a bird with bear feet, but even "I" could draw cooler looking buildings!
Strike three
http://www.hillsboroughcounty.org/publicart/images/projects/mosi/mosi1.jpg (broken link)
4. Entertainment, and not a bar a mile or another CHAIN! (Chain, Chain, Chain...Chain of Fools...comes to mind!)....how come all these ppl coming here from "up north" can't bring with them some sophistication & diversity? and I am not talking about "we have a divers selection of chains"!
5. Jobs....not just service industry and insurance....
6. Arts...this area should easily have several ballet companies, several theaters why? because of the weather, when in NYC they go through blizzards, here they hop from AC'd car to AC'D theater, so easy! etc etc etc
7. Nicely looking dressed people (people dress like rag dolls around here? why?
confused )
People coming to Florida should be amazed at how cool and clean everything is...Florida should take advantage of it's geographical location and build sophisticated and colorful buildings, Miami is the only place that does that now...everything else is so "the same" my eyes hurt!
I only got through your first 3 and you already struck out.
I won't bother with the rest since you are easily proven wrong.
And before you try, don't say that the transit isn't as big or run as late as other cities or the skyline isn't as big. It will just make you look more foolish.
Yep, you are certainly confused.
12-16-2010, 09:15 PM
Location: Hernando County, FL
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algia
no, no....you can't stand that there are ppl who prefer a different lifestyle and call this one for what it is.
I really couldn't care less what you like. I don't stand in judgment of others as you seem to do. I just point out the fallacies and untruths in your posts.
All you did was post your opinion again in that post, you never defined what a "real city" was.
In your other post where you posted what YOU thought a real city was I showed where Tampa must then be a real city in your eyes since it meets your criteria.
You probably think that no real NYers eat at chains either and that all the lines at the chains in NYC are tourists, right?
12-17-2010, 12:47 AM
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algia
Fine, you're not going to like this but here it goes, you asked for it:
Theres no Ballet in Tampa? That settles it, I am not moving there.
12-17-2010, 02:22 AM
Location: Orlandooooooo
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Question, I know many of you post in city vs city forum, . Here is My question, why do you all respond to these people from up north or whatever? Peoples feelings on here are just like relationships, they either love it or love it. People pretend to hate places because its something they really like about it. You be mean to someone who you like because it is a feeling which you may be new to or uncomfortable with, so what would be the point in continuing to respond to such posts? I don't get it. Obviously if people don't like Tampa so be it, fck em, we in FLorida as a whole are better off without them. Problem is they want something to do so they look for these ongoing discussion of why they dont like a Florida city, so **** it hell, we have other things to post about lol.
12-17-2010, 05:25 AM
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algia
soon they'll demolish the downtown for more sub divisions...and more sub divisions and even more sub divisions to accommodate everyone that is allergic to cold!
Anyone hear about them demolishing downtown to build that new "sub division"
Oh wait... it is not a sub division... and it is the ghetto they are demolishing.
ENCORE! - Downtown's Tempo District
Algia- sometimes you do make it too easy
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Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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