where is some homeless food? (school, living, gym)
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Im with you crazy nip, they are obviously not venturing out into the real world much.
5 kids a lot of work, DONT HAVE THEM THEN!
You shouldnt be getting paid for taking care of your own kids. Dont get me wrong, bad things happen to good people and at one point, there may have been an additional income to support or something but these people who are playing the system never intended on supporting themselves. Im telling you right now, go into the projects and visit a few people. There living off of the government and there proud of it.
I can understand both sides of the story, I have been in position to need help and not been able to get it but I also work in many different peoples houses every day..They are gaming the system whether you want to admit it or not and YOUR paying for them and there kids (while there watching flat screen tv's, enjoying there government provided internet and eating like kings).
Crazynip, your name says it all. There is NO cradle to grave welfare in the U.S. The 1996 welfare reforms created a system of caps for government transfers... Once again, I challenge anyone on this forum to provide me with STATISTICAL evidence to support your arguments. Otherwise, don't even try to debunk factual statements with nonsense and claptrap.
VERY FEW people living under the poverty line do not work. This is a statistical fact. On the contrary, because of the proliferation of low quality service sector jobs, many of the "working" poor actually work 2 or 3 jobs and still don't make enough to pull themselves and their families out of poverty.
You really have no clue... all you have to do is go out into some "diverse" neighborhoods and do some actual data collection, you will find people who have not worked a day in years, if ever. 5 kids or not. You can throw out all the stastical info you want, statistics can be used to support any intended result.
I live down here in farm country of S. Hillsborough and there's plenty of work here - picking tomatoes, strawberries, oranges. I've yet to see an American down here - the workers are all of Mexican heritage - probably temp workers. Curious why the homeless, foodless aren't seeking work here. I've heard stories that farmers are paying up to $150/day for the work that pickers do (Georgia) but they can't find anyone to take the jobs - so the fruit is dying on the trees/bushes.
I live down here in farm country of S. Hillsborough and there's plenty of work here - picking tomatoes, strawberries, oranges. I've yet to see an American down here - the workers are all of Mexican heritage - probably temp workers. Curious why the homeless, foodless aren't seeking work here. I've heard stories that farmers are paying up to $150/day for the work that pickers do (Georgia) but they can't find anyone to take the jobs - so the fruit is dying on the trees/bushes.
Why work when you can get free stuff, it's that simple
I do have to doubt that they pay migrants 150/day though
I agree that the OP is inspirational. But, please don't spread BS. VERY FEW people live off of government transfers and assistance. MOST of the people living under the poverty line are either too old to work, are sick, or are too young to work. The "welfare queen" myth has been demolished. Welfare reforms of 1996 set lifetime caps on govt. assistance and push recipients to get jobs. Keep in mind that there are few jobs to go around and many of the jobs available provide no benefits, and no chance for upward mobility.
Don't underestimate the percentage of Americans living NEAR the poverty line who are one or two paychecks away from destitution. Other countries treat their poor better than we do. That's all I was saying.
While straight cash assistance may be capped it is made up for by increased food stamps and other assistance for which there is no cap.
They moved the money around but it still being given away at too high a rate.
When someone is getting their rent for free and $800 a month in food stamps, vouchers for electric, why would they consider working?
The system still needs repair so that those like the OP who are attempting to improve themselves, so they they would not need to rely on assistance long term, can get it in a timely fashion.
For the OP, not sure if these 2 places were mentioned of if they are close enough.
Hillsborough County Society Of St. Vincent De Paul, Inc. (813)933-9729
2021 E Busch Blvd
Tampa, FL 33612
Exactly, if you factor in section 8 (virtually free rent), food stamps/EBT (free food), vouchers for utilities, etc
Why work...
And I resent JProg305 calling me a racist. There are plenty of white people gaming the system in NPR and Pinellas Park as well as blacks, hispanics, etc. That person is very much disinformed.
I give up. I hope the OP is getting the help she requested. Engaging with some of the people on this forum is truly a waste of my time. Again, stop using anecdotal evidence to prove your points. Crazynip, stop saying things like: "all you have to do is go out into some "diverse" neighborhoods and do some actual data collection" if you don't want to sound racist. Why even make a point of using the term "diverse." Clearly, you are talking about African American or Latino neighborhoods. If you think laziness is the cause of poverty then you need your head checked. Laziness, or any other personal attribute, is not the reason why poverty exists. VERY FEW people are proud to be on welfare. Show me someone who is PROUD to use food stamps. Welfare is stigmatized in this country because it is not universalistic in its application. Don't badmouth statistics and statistical analysis. True, statistics can be used to distort the truth. But if you were to even casually peruse some statistical research on poverty, social stratification, the decoupling of economic growth and quality of life, homelessness, etc., you would soon discover that you are "very much disinformed."
People living in low income communities accept the same culturally acceptable goals of material success but are prevented from achieving those goals through legitimate means. They realize from a young age that our society does not value the poor. This is especially true if they are racial minorities. Combine this with the fact that public schools in low income areas are low quality because of the way our public school system is funded in this country. What types of economic opportunity exist for the poor in this country? Tell me that. Did you ever stop to consider that a woman living in a low income neighborhood with five children doesn't work because she can't afford child care. It costs, on average, between $10,000 and $14,000 a year, PER CHILD, for childcare. Without a national or even state childcare policy, how can a single mom work AND pay for their children to go to childcare. Seriously. Think about it. (That being said, I do agree that anyone with a low income should not necessarily be having that many kids if they can help it. Good point.)
By and large, the poor are not to blame for their own situation. I know that is hard to swallow for most Americans because we were all raised to believe in "meritocracy" and that if you try hard enough and play by the rules then you'll do OK in life. This is not always the case. Read about structural social mobility and how economic changes like the transition from an Industrial economy to a Post-Industrial economy can cause massive amounts of downward social mobility for hardworking Americans of all races, nationalities, etc. The callousness of some poster's personal views is shocking to me. Try compassion for a change. And don't ever accuse me of being naive. I've seen dead bodies in the street in Miami. I've witnessed a carjacking with shots fired. I've had five houses broken into. I have also paid my way through graduate school by working two jobs. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Im with you crazy nip, they are obviously not venturing out into the real world much.
5 kids a lot of work, DONT HAVE THEM THEN!
You shouldnt be getting paid for taking care of your own kids. Dont get me wrong, bad things happen to good people and at one point, there may have been an additional income to support or something but these people who are playing the system never intended on supporting themselves. Im telling you right now, go into the projects and visit a few people. There living off of the government and there proud of it.
I can understand both sides of the story, I have been in position to need help and not been able to get it but I also work in many different peoples houses every day..They are gaming the system whether you want to admit it or not and YOUR paying for them and there kids (while there watching flat screen tv's, enjoying there government provided internet and eating like kings).
I admire your knowledge of knowing people gaming the system when you are doing what, a cable service? How do you know about those people situation? They tell you thier problem? The real people who game the sysyem are the top 1% which you don't even know them, not the poor with a flat screen TV.
Also, when flat screen TV was a couple of gran or more it was a poster child of money wasted. Not any more. Flat screen TV is a couple of hundred bucks. I don't know how you judge people like that.
I admire your knowledge of knowing people gaming the system when you are doing what, a cable service? How do you know about those people situation? They tell you thier problem? The real people who game the sysyem are the top 1% which you don't even know them, not the poor with a flat screen TV.
Also, when flat screen TV was a couple of gran or more it was a poster child of money wasted. Not any more. Flat screen TV is a couple of hundred bucks. I don't know how you judge people like that.
You would be surprised what poeple will tell you, its not just the tv's im seeing. The jewlery, the cash the DRUGS.
dont get me wrong, im not against helping people when they are down. I think that the IDEA of government assistance is a great thing but when its abused it becomes a burdon on society. We can disagree on whether or not people are gaming the system. I see it first hand, my wife is also in the business of housing for people on government assistance where its even more noticable than what I see myself.
Does it sound like our op needs her life to be tougher?, living in a car with very little food sounds pretty tough to me.
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