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Old 09-20-2012, 01:43 PM
 
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I agree with you...the only people that benefit from huge sprawl is the developer's bottom line and companies like Camden.
I was not advocating sprawl at all. I was advocating densification. Sprawling further will not do very much for this city. If Tampa intends to survive long-term as a city, it needs to condense now so when gas prices hit the roof people can actually live here.

Areas like Westchase do not need to be densified, but areas near business districts sure do.

 
Old 09-21-2012, 05:25 AM
 
Location: Tampa
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I was not advocating sprawl at all. I was advocating densification. Sprawling further will not do very much for this city. If Tampa intends to survive long-term as a city, it needs to condense now so when gas prices hit the roof people can actually live here.

Areas like Westchase do not need to be densified, but areas near business districts sure do.
thats why I said "I agree".

Anyway, if you live in Westchase, especially near Linebaugh and Countryway Aves you can already see the types of people roaming around over there...

Then its like ok, Ill just move to Waterchase, but Im sure some huge corporation will pay some Hills Co commissioner to develop out there next. Sad what Florida is turning into really.
 
Old 09-21-2012, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Jupiter, FL
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Just how is the city going to improve itself if it can't draw new business owners here (i.e. growth).
Nothing you are saying makes sense.

1. Why does the city have to improve itself? It is a good city as is.
2. Why can't the city improve itself internally? Why do you think the people of Tampa are such losers that they can't improve anything? You're wrong about them.
3. You're pretending that there is no risk in growth, only reward. Growth can make a city WORSE and it often does.

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And whether growth is good or bad to you it's going to happen whether you like it or not
Wrong.
 
Old 09-21-2012, 12:23 PM
 
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Nothing you are saying makes sense.

1. Why does the city have to improve itself? It is a good city as is.
2. Why can't the city improve itself internally? Why do you think the people of Tampa are such losers that they can't improve anything? You're wrong about them.
3. You're pretending that there is no risk in growth, only reward. Growth can make a city WORSE and it often does.
1) This is a difference in opinion that I cannot argue with you. If you are happy with it, then fine. But no one place stays the same for years on end. Tampa will change in some manner, and it is inevitable.
2) So every business in Tampa is going to have a sign outside that says "Only hiring Tampa natives"? I mean, if so then that's impractical. Unless you are thinking Tampa can attain heaps of money with zero business growth, in which case I'd like to see examples of what you mean.
3) Okay dude, I never said that. Look back. I said there is good and bad growth. You are the one saying all growth is bad, which is ironic, because the Tampa you say is "perfect" today would never even be here if the area didn't grow in the first place!

Maybe I just don't understand what you mean. You can't possibly believe all growth is bad. You are a product of growth when you were born. You were a product of Tampa's growth when you moved here (or were born here).
 
Old 09-24-2012, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Tampa
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Anyway, if you live in Westchase, especially near Linebaugh and Countryway Aves you can already see the types of people roaming around over there...
anyone from the area WILL attest to this. Petty theft calls have increased 4fold since May according to HCSO.
 
Old 09-24-2012, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Sunny Florida
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anyone from the area WILL attest to this. Petty theft calls have increased 4fold since May according to HCSO.
I hate to hear this and fear it's only the beginning.
 
Old 09-25-2012, 12:49 AM
 
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This thread is so funny. It is actually cheaper to own a home in Westchase than to rent those pricy Camden apartments in Westchase. I think the people who live in those apartments should actually be the ones worried about the homeowners. lol
 
Old 09-25-2012, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Tampa
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This thread is so funny. It is actually cheaper to own a home in Westchase than to rent those pricy Camden apartments in Westchase. I think the people who live in those apartments should actually be the ones worried about the homeowners. lol

let me guess; you dont have the credit to buy a house, but buy Juicycorture products and drive an SUV all on credit cards? Makes sense
 
Old 09-25-2012, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Jupiter, FL
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This thread is so funny. It is actually cheaper to own a home in Westchase than to rent those pricy Camden apartments in Westchase.
The thread would be less funny if you had actually read it. It was clearly stated that the concern is not with the apartments right now, but down the road as they age and rent goes down.

That said, Awesomee makes an excellent point that sometimes even an expensive apartment is more likely to attract irresponsible parents than a cheaper home due to the credit issue, as well as the concept of long term financial planning which seems to bore some sectors of society.
 
Old 09-25-2012, 10:18 AM
 
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The thread would be less funny if you had actually read it. It was clearly stated that the concern is not with the apartments right now, but down the road as they age and rent goes down.

That said, Awesomee makes an excellent point that sometimes even an expensive apartment is more likely to attract irresponsible parents than a cheaper home due to the credit issue, as well as the concept of long term financial planning which seems to bore some sectors of society.
Home ownership could also bring people who are "about to be irresposible", if they can't pay their house for what ever reason and foreclosed and become those irresponsible "renters."

Have you seen how many short sales are in westchase over 300K as we write?
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