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Old 09-02-2012, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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This is an absolute and true statement. A lot of the people fighting on this one aren't from the area (obviously) or just do not have the funds to live in an "upscale" community, and looks down on anyone that wants to preserve their way of life.

Back in the year 2000, a developer decide to buy some land in a tiny suburb called Riverview, Florida. They wanted build an apartment complex similar to the Camden that has gone up in Westchase. I'm sure everyone from the area knows the "Bayou Crossing Apartments". Yep, these are now section 8 apartments.

Once upon a time, these apartments charged upwards of $950 for a one bedroom, they were nice when they were first built. But like anything that is rented, the renters stopped caring about the apartments as they would stay for 1 year and leave, and eventually these apartments became rundown and people stopped moving in. Since the rate was so high and these were nice, people could no longer pay so eventually the owners turned them into section 8 so they could fill their units. This ultimately brought the complex and surrounding areas down with it. Sound familiar?
Unfortunately, in this day and age, the government is getting rid of the traditional housing projects in favor of section 8. So what happens now is that instead of the thugs being in 1 place, they "spread them out" until they run drugs and women in their new places, sometimes nice places until they completely take them over and they become privately owned housing projects, where heaven forbid any normal people live. We dont need that schiesse in Westchase

 
Old 09-02-2012, 08:39 PM
 
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This is really sort of old news. The suburbs are now for the poor, while the city areas are for the mid to upper class who don't want long commutes or poorly planned development next to them. If you don't want apartment complexes/Section 8 being built next to you, move into a historic, established, quiet URBAN neighborhood.

Young whites fleeing the suburbs - Tampa Bay Times


VERY telling:


"The suburbs now have the largest poor population in the country."
 
Old 09-02-2012, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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This is really sort of old news. The suburbs are now for the poor, while the city areas are for the wealthy who don't want long commutes or poorly planned development next to them. If you don't want apartment complexes/Section 8 being built next to you, move into a historic, established, quiet URBAN neighborhood.
Please...

You must be living in a dream world, that will never be the case outside of a few places in the Northeast, Chicago and Atlanta where commute times are ridiculous from the suburbs.

Fact is, most downtowns offer little to anyone, especially families, unless your primary goal in life is getting drunk and chasing tail


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Young whites fleeing the suburbs - Tampa Bay Times
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VERY telling:

"The suburbs now have the largest poor population in the country."
"young whites" have no jobs, no kids. Once sally may has a bun in the oven, and billy joe isnt out banging every broad with a pulse, the "urban" diverse 1 BR condo offers them absolutely nothing.

And like I said before, the razing of the urban housing projects has displaced the poor blacks who used to live in them, where do you think they went? The burbs. It's one reason why places like town and country has gone so far downhill.
 
Old 09-02-2012, 08:53 PM
 
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The urban core of Tampa, the City of Tampa, comprises more than just downtown. Whether you move to downtown or Hyde Park, it's all urban.

And the Census data that fueled this article includes Florida. It's not just the NE, etc. It is also talking about suburban trends in FLORIDA.

You can ignore the data, but I don't see any future Section 8 complexes going up in Hyde Park.

"Young whites" refers to "young EDUCATED whites," by the way.

And regarding "ridiculous" commutes: the one from Westchase to downtown Tampa, sitting on Linebaugh and the Veterans and 275 for who knows how long, sounds pretty ridiculous to me.
 
Old 09-02-2012, 08:57 PM
 
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The urban core of Tampa, the City of Tampa, comprises more than just downtown. Whether you move to downtown or Hyde Park, it's all urban.

And the Census data that fueled this article includes Florida. It's not just the NE, etc. It is also talking about suburban trends in FLORIDA.
Define the "urban core" of Tampa. I want to hear your response. Give me locations down to the street.

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You can ignore the data, but I don't see any future Section 8 complexes going up in Hyde Park.
Why do you think that is? Think about it real hard... cant wait to hear your answer
 
Old 09-02-2012, 09:10 PM
 
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Tampa's urban core, as defined by the Census, is Downtown to the east, Westshore to the West, Port of Tampa to the South, and Seminole Heights to the north.

No Section 8 going up in Hyde Park for the same reason they don't go up in Beach Park, Palma Ceia, Golfview, Virginia Park, etc. Cost of space, lack of space, residents with a high level of education and a strong sense of property rights.
 
Old 09-02-2012, 09:20 PM
 
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Tampa's urban core, as defined by the Census, is Downtown to the east, Westshore to the West, Port of Tampa to the South, and Seminole Heights to the north.
I would tighten it up a little on the North and West and loosen a little on the East, but that's not a bad assessment

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No Section 8 going up in Hyde Park for the same reason they don't go up in Beach Park, Palma Ceia, Golfview, Virginia Park, etc. Cost of space, lack of space, residents with a high level of education and a strong sense of property rights.
But more importantly, property costs. It wouldnt be cost effective to build in any of those places and then rent them out at section 8 rates.

I dont know exactly where they would be building this future ghetto apartment complex in Westchase, but considering how property values have plummeted, it wouldnt surprise me if there isnt some 20 acre piece of developable land someone really needs to offload and the whores on the 2nd floor of County Center will allow them to build 1000000 units per acre just to get the tax money from it.
 
Old 09-02-2012, 09:24 PM
 
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Yes cost of space, land, property, etc. is prohibitive in urban spots. Not so in the burbs. Hence Camden ghetto.

What is most illustrative here is the fact that property values have plummeted so far in the burbs that you have developers building these things, while values have not dropped equally precipitously in the desirable urban neighborhoods.
 
Old 09-02-2012, 09:47 PM
 
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Yes cost of space, land, property, etc. is prohibitive in urban spots. Not so in the burbs. Hence Camden ghetto.

What is most illustrative here is the fact that property values have plummeted so far in the burbs that you have developers building these things, while values have not dropped equally precipitously in the desirable urban neighborhoods.
Property values have plummeted just as much in the urban areas. Most of what you define as the urban core of Tampa property values are ****. The only areas holding any value are South of Kennedy, East to the Hillsborough River.

That's why all this urban renewal crap is happening. These ghetto slums can be bought at pennies on the dollar. The joke is on them, once the ghetto bums return and destroy their property value.
 
Old 09-03-2012, 12:03 AM
 
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This is really sort of old news. The suburbs are now for the poor, while the city areas are for the mid to upper class who don't want long commutes or poorly planned development next to them. If you don't want apartment complexes/Section 8 being built next to you, move into a historic, established, quiet URBAN neighborhood.

Young whites fleeing the suburbs - Tampa Bay Times

VERY telling:

"The suburbs now have the largest poor population in the country."
Thing is, the more this is starting to happen, the farther out they're building new, "fresh" suburbs...as the old ones turn to **** the construction starts going up in Pasco County. If we don't watch out in 20 years the entirety of Hillsborough county (except for maybe South Tampa) will be undesirable and everyone well-off will be living two hours up and down the interstate. It's kind of already happened in Atlanta and it's starting to happen here. That's why densification is important...it either attracts the more well-off back to the core of the city or it densifies all of the petty criminals and thugs and removes them from the suburbs (also allows the cops to step up patrols on a more concentrated area).
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